Maybe, maybe not. Who knows what was going on in barbarian societies before the Christian's gave them the gift of literacy.

I did learn while writing my dissertation that vikings were known to rape captured monks on board the boats and throw them into Dublin bay, laughing  and whooping. Make of that what you will :)

I'm not saying the Abrahamic religions invented homophobia, I'm saying "our" homophobia stems from there. A detail anyway; you're praising Serbians for acting in a way that is typically representative of why Islam is said to be incompatible with western values. You get in a tizzy over how feminists can support Muslim rights, yet here you are beating your chest for Orthodox Christians & friends acting utterly in opposition to western values. We look forward to your praise next time some Muslim loon beats up a gay person in Indonesia or elsewhere. Try any of that in the EU and see what happens, amirite!?

What western values are these, out of interest? Family? Decency? Or do you mean culturally? All of those things are evaporating in front of you in favour of a global currency, a monoculture and an elephants graveyard for western wombs. Whatever idea of western values you have spun together in your head are not shared by me or anybody who thinks like me.

As I have tried to point out, and as you have wilfully chicaned around and out of (a highly irritating characteristic of yours, and I'm sure your other sparring partners will agree with), having a desire for your city to remain free of LGBT etc etc demonstrations is not indicative of hatred or fear of homosexuals.

I work with and have friends with who are gay, also an uncle. No worries, not a bother. Most of them are mortified by gay pride and the 'movement'. I hate gay pride but have no problem with gays. The same is broadly true of Serbs.

People have a right to assemble and celebrate things. Be it music, culture or whatever. You stop people doing that then you're a backward kip. You don't like a gay pride parade. Don't go to the fucking thing. I went to one. Music was shyte. Haven't been to one since.

It's a month long now. That's over the top.

Western values, as per the likes of Steven Pinker, etc., who say we're the bees knees compared to all other civilizations ever:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment

Organisation whose leadership is appointed and has no democratic link whatsoever to people it governs decides country is undemocratic.

https://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2022/0915/1323577-eu-hungary/

#4522 September 16, 2022, 01:35:41 PM Last Edit: September 16, 2022, 01:38:14 PM by Ollkiller
Quote from: hellfire on September 16, 2022, 10:45:09 AMOrganisation whose leadership is appointed and has no democratic link whatsoever to people it governs decides country is undemocratic.

https://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2022/0915/1323577-eu-hungary/

Edit. That link isn't working so I assume you're in about the European parliament passing the motion on Hungary. If not apologies.

Don't we vote in the MEP's and the MEP's then vote in the president?

Secondly Orban has been stripping democratic processes in the country but this stance by Europe is wrong in the long term. Taking this stance only pushes Orban closer to Russia which is not what you want.

Quote from: Ollkiller on September 16, 2022, 01:35:41 PM
Quote from: hellfire on September 16, 2022, 10:45:09 AMOrganisation whose leadership is appointed and has no democratic link whatsoever to people it governs decides country is undemocratic.

https://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2022/0915/1323577-eu-hungary/

Edit. That link isn't working so I assume you're in about the European parliament passing the motion on Hungary. If not apologies.

Don't we vote in the MEP's and the MEP's then vote in the president?

Secondly Orban has been stripping democratic processes in the country but this stance by Europe is wrong in the long term. Taking this stance only pushes Orban closer to Russia which is not what you want.

Does this work for you

https://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2022/0915/1323577-eu-hungary/

Hungary is one of these places that Tucker Carlson and the lads champion.

Wasn't there a proposal by an MEP or 2 lately to get rid of the veto by member states? I'll have to go find that again to be sure, but I'm wondering if a symbolic gesture such as this could be used to further that argument? One of the first things it mentions is how Hungary can block things such as sanctions on Russia which let's be fair is rather inconvenient for the EU.

"This is dangerous to democracy" stuff again.

https://www.naharnet.com/stories/292199-scholz-backs-end-to-eu-veto-seeks-gradual-transition-to-majority-voting/print

There's a brief mention of it. I think they should keep the veto really. Ireland will have a say in fuck all without it, not that they carry much weight as it is.

Quote from: pete on September 16, 2022, 01:59:06 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 16, 2022, 01:35:41 PM
Quote from: hellfire on September 16, 2022, 10:45:09 AMOrganisation whose leadership is appointed and has no democratic link whatsoever to people it governs decides country is undemocratic.

https://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2022/0915/1323577-eu-hungary/

Edit. That link isn't working so I assume you're in about the European parliament passing the motion on Hungary. If not apologies.

Don't we vote in the MEP's and the MEP's then vote in the president?

Secondly Orban has been stripping democratic processes in the country but this stance by Europe is wrong in the long term. Taking this stance only pushes Orban closer to Russia which is not what you want.

Does this work for you

https://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2022/0915/1323577-eu-hungary/

Hungary is one of these places that Tucker Carlson and the lads champion.


Aye that link works.i went to Budapest for 10 days a few years ago. Lovely city and cheap as chips. In our group we made sure to wear an Irish jersey as we had to explain on multiple occasions we weren't English and nearly got into a scrap because of it but I had a great time there. We went outside the city one day. Fuck me what a culture shock. Like going back 40 years and not in a good way.

Quote from: Ollkiller on September 16, 2022, 01:35:41 PM
Quote from: hellfire on September 16, 2022, 10:45:09 AMOrganisation whose leadership is appointed and has no democratic link whatsoever to people it governs decides country is undemocratic.

https://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2022/0915/1323577-eu-hungary/

Edit. That link isn't working so I assume you're in about the European parliament passing the motion on Hungary. If not apologies.

Don't we vote in the MEP's and the MEP's then vote in the president?

Not really, the European Council decides on a candidate and the MEPs say yes no or veto. The council is supposed to take into account the results of European elections when choosing a candidate. That's a pretty vague guideline. The decisions are made behind closed doors. If you have some time to waste one day have a dig through Wikipedia to see just how useless and powerless your MEP actually is. They might as well be talking in a bar for all the power they have.

I'm not saying Orban is right or wrong, just that its a Hungarian problem and shouldn't be decided by people with no mandate from Hungarians. Much like Merkel had no right to decide who the Greek finance minister was.

I traveled a bit in the country side and small towns in both Hungary and Slovakia and loved both. That wasn't yesterday, and I had local friends as guides both times.

EU neoliberal bollocks, Orban authoritarian bollocks... not really a head-to-head worth trying to prove anything off. They could always go for a Hungxit if they want.

Seems Vektor are on the cancel list

https://metalinjection.net/news/century-media-signs-drops-vektor-in-the-same-week

If I remember right the damning video evidence consisted of him throwing a pillow, that's enough to make him a wife beating rapist according to the internet

Quote from: Trev on September 16, 2022, 08:03:10 PMSeems Vektor are on the cancel list

https://metalinjection.net/news/century-media-signs-drops-vektor-in-the-same-week

If I remember right the damning video evidence consisted of him throwing a pillow, that's enough to make him a wife beating rapist according to the internet

There must be more to it then a pillow though no? As the whole band left except him that time?