The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade

[Juggz]

Some people are just perpetually offended 

As a fan of motorsport, I was aware of the story long before it hit mainstream news (it's only bad news which makes the mainstream media when it comes to motorsport) and the reasoning behind the initial line of thought is quite logical when you know the details. I recall seeing the FBI announcement in the same non-specialised media as the initial story so I wouldn't say it had been brushed aside at all. The mainstream covered it to conclusion.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Interesting twist on the Reading stabbing attacks last week. 3 of the men killed were gay. Was fairly brushed over in most reports. Strange world we live in.

https://youtu.be/FX8u9-asJpA

Google news search results for "Reading stabbings gay":
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&biw=1536&bih=750&tbm=nws&sxsrf=ALeKk01UCLgzly7E4PgMlmwjho-5yxW_Yw%3A1593076157685&ei=vWn0XumoKcWOlwSzh4zoAQ&q=reading+stabbings+gay&oq=reading+stabbings+gay&gs_l=psy-ab.3...8412.9477.0.9654.9.8.0.0.0.0.175.685.0j5.5.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..5.0.0....0.p77sx_6McAY

Doesn't seem to be a shortage of sources reporting that angle prior to this video being published. A couple referring to them as members of the "LGBTQ community" but most refer to them as "gay men." In terms of peddling agendas, it's interesting how 'perpetually offended' Murray and the host admit to being towards the notion of an LGBTQ community, to the point that Murray takes it upon himself to speak on behalf of the dead by saying they "weren't" members of it but were rather "gay men." Unless he has some kind of proof that they pointedly didn't want to be identified with it, then he's way beyond the pale there.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Also, the "erased" Gone With The Wind is already back:
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/hbo-max-brings-back-gone-with-the-wind-with-added-context

it's important that classic Hollywood films are available to us in their original form for viewing and discussions.

In case anyone is wondering why I'm quoting from Fox, I'm now reflexively sourcing from right-wing sites when posting in this thread; it was either that or add trigger warnings to posts 

[Caomhaoin]

Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't (have proof) but I guess what he's getting at is that they shouldn't be lionised by pink news et al if they don't know whether or not they align themselves with that community. A lot of gays shun that whole ideology, or better put, that collectivism, the pride stuff. So maybe the burden of proof is on them? A gay friend of my Mrs puts it quite succinctly - 'Just because I'm a homosexual doesn't mean I have to go in for all the peacock tails and flags everywhere'. Quite.

Murray annoys the fuck out of the left because he's a highly eloquent conservative, but he's also a homosexual, making attacking him slightly trickier. Like Peterson, he's far from infallible. Nevertheless, he makes pertinent points about the direction of Europe and it's future, as unpalatable as his perceived ethno-centricity may be.

[Caomhaoin]

Also, the "erased" Gone With The Wind is already back:
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/hbo-max-brings-back-gone-with-the-wind-with-added-context

it's important that classic Hollywood films are available to us in their original form for viewing and discussions.

In case anyone is wondering why I'm quoting from Fox, I'm now reflexively sourcing from right-wing sites when posting in this thread; it was either that or add trigger warnings to posts 

What about all the other cancelled stuff? Is that still cancelled? Or is everything fine now because 'GWTW' is back on HBO?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't (have proof) but I guess what he's getting at is that they shouldn't be lionised by pink news et al if they don't know whether or not they align themselves with that community. A lot of gays shun that whole ideology, or better put, that collectivism, the pride stuff. So maybe the burden of proof is on them?

Two wrongs don't make a right Kev. You can't rectify the possibility that someone else is speaking incorrectly on behalf of the dead by doing so yourself.

What about all the other cancelled stuff? Is that still cancelled? Or is everything fine now because 'GWTW' is back on HBO?

What does the story say? That Gone With The Wind, widely claimed to have been "erased" by an apoplectic conservative media, is back on HBO. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Emphyrio]

Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't (have proof) but I guess what he's getting at is that they shouldn't be lionised by pink news et al if they don't know whether or not they align themselves with that community. A lot of gays shun that whole ideology, or better put, that collectivism, the pride stuff. So maybe the burden of proof is on them?

Two wrongs don't make a right Kev. You can't rectify the possibility that someone else is speaking incorrectly on behalf of the dead by doing so yourself.

What about all the other cancelled stuff? Is that still cancelled? Or is everything fine now because 'GWTW' is back on HBO?

What does the story say? That Gone With The Wind, widely claimed to have been "erased" by an apoplectic conservative media, is back on HBO. Nothing more, nothing less.

I think you're getting too caught up with the GWTW angle, specifically. It's the larger attack that myself and others were referring to.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I'm not getting caught up with anything, just relaying that what HBO said they were going to do since day 1 has now been done. The only wider point is that all the hyperbole surrounding specifically GWTW being erased or censored or whatever (and there was no fucking end to that specific hyperbole, gnawing away at people's sanity) was now demonstrably just that; pure hyperbole. The other instances are other instances. The knack is being able to separate things along some kind of continuum rather than constantly conflating the world into binary camps.

[Caomhaoin]

That's sensible Chris, but the majority of your posts would place you firmly in one camp, in opposition with the other. I'm equally guilty of this.

Your 'special report' about GWTW has its implications, surely you see that? 'Look, there is no censorship, it's back'. I'm glad it's back, but the vast majority of the victims of this virtual 'book burning' are still banned from streaming sites. Google basically putting news sites out of business for wrongthink, YouTube demonitizing right-wing commentators like Sargon of Akkad (is he even right wing? He's a liberal, although it's all far right now apparently), it's a multi-faceted, widespread concerted attack on anything considered even remotely offensive by the left, or a specific loudmouth fringe of the left which everyone seems scared to death of. Seriously, fuck these crybabies, nobody is forcing them to watch or read anything, yet the rest of us have to tolerate censorship. Fuck that!

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

What I see is people unwilling to engage in any level of nuanced reasoning and just conflating everything that even appears to go in a certain direction. The majority of my posts here place me firmly in one camp because the majority of people posting, the very raison d'être of this particular thread, is rooted completely in a camp which endlessly conflates things in one direction. If there was a thread here where people were constantly conflating anything slightly right leaning with fascism, then my posts there would seem to place me in "your" camp (I've been accused of this on Twitter for taking academia peers to task for some of the conflating nonsense they post).

At no point in the whole HBO/GWTW story did I ever see HBO suggest actions that, if properly read and taken at face value, could have been construed as reasonably objectionable. So what's interesting, to me, is how the story was knowingly twisted and weaponized by some and just not at all properly investigated - despite how unbelievably accessible the real narrative and primary source was - by many, many more. Even on here people were relaying the propaganda point about this illusory "erasing" being extra-terrible since the black actress had won an Oscar for it (didn't see so many of those same people mention the fact that at the ceremony she had to be sat separately to her co-actors since segregation was still in force at the venue!). The GWTW story is also more interesting than Boosh or Little Britain, etc., because it's the most high-profile international one; the story, either in its true or hyperbolic form, was relayed all over the globe. Personally, I think what HBO did is what should be done; no censorship at all, but if a network thinks something may be objectionable, then fine, stick a warning on it and, where possible, give viewers the option to explore the reasons for that warning a bit deeper.

[Caomhaoin]

I don't agree with the trigger warnings or what have you, but it doesn't bother me to any great degree.

Is there a justification for the censorship, and it can't be construed in any other way, of Little Britain etc, short of regurgitating the mealy mouthed press releases from Netflix? How patronising is it to black people that the mere existence of some comedian dressed up as a black woman, forcing the creators to retroactively to apologise? It's as if they are vulnerable children who must be shielded from the worst excesses of the white man.

[Juggz]

They have plenty of experience of the excesses of the white man, no?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Is there a justification for the censorship, and it can't be construed in any other way, of Little Britain etc, short of regurgitating the mealy mouthed press releases from Netflix?

Being by nature anti-corporation, I tend to err on the side of suspicion when it comes to them (that's where my real bias is  ). My (impossible to prove) belief is that HBO and Netflix ultimately took action only because they thought it would be good for their revenue. But relatively, I think HBO did this in a particularly good way (stimulation to open discussion), Netflix in a particularly bad way (brushing the supposed source of a need for discussion under the carpet). I don't think censorship solves anything at all, ever. But I don't think it's useful to elevate Netflix to the status of censor. They're a corporation; they do profit at the expense of whatever else they can get away with without endangering profit, and that's the ball that needs our eyes on it more than what specific "content" they don't peddle. Their responsibility in "binge" TV culture is something with the potential to do far more damage to the well-being of our species.

[Kurt Cocaine]

I don't agree with the trigger warnings or what have you, but it doesn't bother me to any great degree.

Is there a justification for the censorship, and it can't be construed in any other way, of Little Britain etc, short of regurgitating the mealy mouthed press releases from Netflix? How patronising is it to black people that the mere existence of some comedian dressed up as a black woman, forcing the creators to retroactively to apologise? It's as if they are vulnerable children who must be shielded from the worst excesses of the white man.

Interviewer: "So Matt, have you heard that Little Britain has been pulled from TV?"

Matt Lucas: "Yeah, I know!"

[Caomhaoin]

They have plenty of experience of the excesses of the white man, no?

Their ancestors did. Racists exist, no doubt aboutit. But I don't see why the current generation of, generally speaking, non-racist western societies should be held responsible for the actions of people who looked like them in the past, or why they should apologise for it. They certainly shouldn't be given carte blanche to get historical revenge in South Africa as is happening right now.

If it were to be the case, the Swedes should apologise to the Germans for spearheading the Protestant side of  the apocalyptic 30 years war, the conquering Arabs to Coptic Egyptians, the Mongols to the Jin Chinese, sure why not the descendants of Assyrians to the descendants of their neighbours for enslaving and attempting to wipe them out? I mean, how far can we go back in history for grievances? Not being smart, but history can provide any 'group' with a gripe against someone. So maybe group think is a bad thing.

I'm not denying the existence of racism, but white people dont have a monopoly on atrocity, and other varieties of white people suffered as much as anyone else.