The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade

[Pedrito]

The majority of us don't care tbh, nobody really has an issue. It's the idealogues who are creating the hysteria and asking us to change all sorts of things like gender pronouns and our fairly straightforward way of checking if someone is male/female i.e. do they have a cock or pussy etc. Everything you have detailed above all sounds very interesting but you even say so yourself a lot of it is speculative and deals with very rare cases. So lets hope science can provide more answers and maybe lets not foist debatable information on small kids that have enough to manage without trying to figure out if they're really a woman even though they have a willy and little plums.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Sure look at Eoin McLove; he identifies as a man even though he's got no willy.

[Eoin McLove]

I'm the living embodiment of this important issue and even I think it's retarded.

[Pedrito]

 

[open face surgery]

EDIT: Not going to quote Kev if he's deleted his post.

- I'm not an authority on sexual chromosome anomalies, but genetic engineering is part of my day to day, so I can understand papers on it when I read them.
- Down syndrome isn't an anomaly of the sexual chromosomes, I'm talking specifically of the dozen or so sexual chromosome anomalies. Taken all together, they account for about 1 in 500 births. Klinefelter syndrome is one, there are about a dozen others that have been discovered so far.
- The most important thing to bear in mind in dealing with gender is that gender transitioning is the rule. Two facts to blow you away: during embryonic development, we develop an arse before we develop a mouth, and for the first few weeks we all develop as females, in a X-chromosome dependent manner. In males, one gene (called SRY) on the Y-chromosome is activated about five/six weeks in to determine development of the male genitalia and prevent development of the female genitalia. If this activation didn't happen, we would all carry on developing as females. But, all sorts of things can go wrong here: you can have XY but SRY doesn't activate properly, XY but the Y is missing SRY, XX but with an either active or inactive SRY on one of the X, and other even more complex variants. Not to mention syndromes which are from anomalies in other genes than SRY; this is just the easiest case to explain, since it's central to the "normal" male development.

But even in the most chromosomally speaking "normal" cases, there are cascade effects the activation (in XY males) or non activation (in XX females) of SRY implies in the medulla and elsewhere in the brain where any number of things that we are not really close to understanding could be happening. So, for this reason, people who are specialists in that area, generally keep an open mind when it comes to how people identify sexually, since this is something intimately related also to communication between the genitalia (whatever they may be) and the brain, again things which we know a bit about, but frankly not very much. It's an extremely complex issue that we're only just beginning to study properly. For example, some say there's a higher incidence of genital dysphoria in people with Klinefelter, but there haven't been enough cases to really conclude one way or the other.

In short, this is absolutely the opposite of anti-science political whatever. This is science saying, "Look, this is way more complicated than we thought, so if someone is saying they feel like a certain gender, then maybe there's a biological cause we can find, but if we can't then maybe there's a neurobiological cause we don't even know how to look for. If it's the second case, then there's nothing we can say about it, so you'll have to deal with it as a society." And that is exactly what we have to do, with a minimum of hysteria and scare-mongering, preferably.

So like a biological or sexual synaesthesia? The latter sounds kinky so we'll go with that. Very interesting anyway.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Sexual Synaesthesia, great band name. Debut album, The Colour of Climax.

[Ducky]

I don't care if people who are men want to deny reality call themselves women and vice versa. I couldn't care less, why should I? However, I'm not going to deny biological realities, and if that's bigoted, then call me a bigot. You can't just alternate between one gender and another, unless you have found a way to change chromosomal make-up. I mean, can I identify as Chinese? As a 12 year old? No, but I can become a woman? Right...

Fine, maybe I shouldn't say 'tranny', thanks for pulling me up on that. Can I say 'gender dysphoria sufferers'? Or is that bigoted too?

They're not denying reality. There's a difference between your biological sex and the gender you feel you are. What else compels someone to put themselves through the phycial hell that is gender realignment?

I can't get my head around it, doesn't mean that other people don't feel it. Just like how I'm not attracted to guys, doesn't mean other guys aren't.

Actually, yeah, you're free to identify as Chinese if you want to. You're free to get balls deep into their overarching culture and the minutiae of their day to day life. You can even move there and become a citizen. You were born in Ireland (I'm assuming), you're Irish, but you may feel "fuck it, I feel like I'm Chinese". And I nor anyone else can deny how you feel.

I don't know, but how about 'transgender'?

[blessed1]

I don't care if people who are men want to deny reality call themselves women and vice versa. I couldn't care less, why should I? However, I'm not going to deny biological realities, and if that's bigoted, then call me a bigot. You can't just alternate between one gender and another, unless you have found a way to change chromosomal make-up. I mean, can I identify as Chinese? As a 12 year old? No, but I can become a woman? Right...

Fine, maybe I shouldn't say 'tranny', thanks for pulling me up on that. Can I say 'gender dysphoria sufferers'? Or is that bigoted too?

They're not denying reality. There's a difference between your biological sex and the gender you feel you are. What else compels someone to put themselves through the phycial hell that is gender realignment?

I can't get my head around it, doesn't mean that other people don't feel it. Just like how I'm not attracted to guys, doesn't mean other guys aren't.

Actually, yeah, you're free to identify as Chinese if you want to. You're free to get balls deep into their overarching culture and the minutiae of their day to day life. You can even move there and become a citizen. You were born in Ireland (I'm assuming), you're Irish, but you may feel "fuck it, I feel like I'm Chinese". And I nor anyone else can deny how you feel.

I don't know, but how about 'transgender'?

Ah ya but he still won't be chinese.

[Caomhaoin]

😂

Look man, I meant ethnically Chinese, but whatever. We see the world from opposing points of view, your perfectly entitled to your opinion, but you, Chris, Owen Jones and Chris Cuomo are unlikely to ever convince me, and clearly vice versa.

Sher look, it's only a bit more diversity, just of opinion, in the rich tapestry of humanity. That's what you lads are all about I thought.

[Kurt Cocaine]

I don't care if people who are men want to deny reality call themselves women and vice versa. I couldn't care less, why should I? However, I'm not going to deny biological realities, and if that's bigoted, then call me a bigot. You can't just alternate between one gender and another, unless you have found a way to change chromosomal make-up. I mean, can I identify as Chinese? As a 12 year old? No, but I can become a woman? Right...

Fine, maybe I shouldn't say 'tranny', thanks for pulling me up on that. Can I say 'gender dysphoria sufferers'? Or is that bigoted too?

They're not denying reality. There's a difference between your biological sex and the gender you feel you are. What else compels someone to put themselves through the phycial hell that is gender realignment?

I can't get my head around it, doesn't mean that other people don't feel it. Just like how I'm not attracted to guys, doesn't mean other guys aren't.

Actually, yeah, you're free to identify as Chinese if you want to. You're free to get balls deep into their overarching culture and the minutiae of their day to day life. You can even move there and become a citizen. You were born in Ireland (I'm assuming), you're Irish, but you may feel "fuck it, I feel like I'm Chinese". And I nor anyone else can deny how you feel.

I don't know, but how about 'transgender'?

Ah ya but he still won't be chinese.

If he's got a tiny dick he might qualify.

[Pedrito]

 

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

 

[Caomhaoin]

Chinese mickey hi 5's!

[mugz]

horse piss (Mare Liberum) , Swyer Syndrome, between angels and insects (incest)

not red not blue but royal purple

keeping the 'human resources' sweating away in a dualistic reproductive slave race, keep the goy chasing rainbows as it were

[Caomhaoin]

Lay off the mushies lad