Today I've been listening to stuff like Jute Gyte, Kayo Dot, projects at the odder end of the spectrum, and that put Aghora into my head so I decided to revisit the debut album.
The peeve? I can't get fucking Frantic out of my head while listening to this song... and it keeps coming back into it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODCqGhrIWWw
I think the band should sue for plagiarism.
Would have never heard it till you said it :laugh: :laugh:
I'm not clicking that fucking link, love the first Aghora album (it got three playthroughs just yesterday!) and I'm afraid of Lars-ifying it!
Once great bands who are multi-millionaires now and who still resort to screwing their fans for money
https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/8521538/live-nation-resale-market-secretly-recorded-phone-calls-concert-tickets
And that gets more interesting when you read these two and look at the dates involved
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/venues-unite-enforce-metallica-ticket-11256241
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/metallicas-tour-promoters-force-venues-11422194
when death or black metal vocalists throw in a random attempt at a King Diamond/Tom Arya "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH" falsetto scream.
Quote from: Papa Het on July 22, 2019, 02:30:12 PM
And that gets more interesting when you read these two and look at the dates involved
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/venues-unite-enforce-metallica-ticket-11256241
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/metallicas-tour-promoters-force-venues-11422194
Tickets in your own name, needing matching ID to get in - fuck off lads, it's a music gig, not a special audience with Belezebub.
This kinda shite is precisely why I don't bother with big gigs any more.
More that they were diverting tickets to a resale site without ever putting them on sale in the first place while simoultaneously appearing to be taking action against that kind of thing. Stinky situation.
Small gigs are the only way to go.
The seemingly widespread delusion that the original production of Rust In Peace was excellent and the remix ruined it.
If you don't like the remix, fair enough.... but the original production job on that album is terrible. There's NO BASS at all. It sounds really tinny.
Also, half of the album is boring filler, but I've gone on about that enough in the past.
There weren't so many issues with the remix per se. It was the re-recorded bits that ruined it.
Extra songs of live stuff/demos/covers tacked on to the end of an album are completely unnecessary. Either keep all that stuff for a compilation, or just throw it up on youtube
7" singles with no speed printed on them
Lazy metal journalism. Any metal riffs not constructed with 3 power chords is dissonant (it's not!). Any DM with a fat buzzy tone is "boss hm-2 abuse". Learn some new fuckin adjectives! Grr.
Quote from: Trev on July 23, 2019, 10:50:34 AM
Extra songs of live stuff/demos/covers tacked on to the end of an album are completely unnecessary. Either keep all that stuff for a compilation, or just throw it up on youtube
Definitely agree. REmastered albums with a load of oul garage workouts drive me nuts tbh. I want to hear the end product and if I want to hear the rest of the stuff it should all be released together as demo tapes or somesuch idea. Metallica.did a lot of that on their singles..demo versions of this and that, pure gimmick. If it was something from the sixties like the Stooges where the song was never actually released, then cool, I'll lap that up all day. But not some big band throwing their rehearsal before recording up as 'a song'.
Quote from: Cosmic_Equilibrium on July 23, 2019, 10:08:42 AM
The seemingly widespread delusion that the original production of Rust In Peace was excellent and the remix ruined it.
If you don't like the remix, fair enough.... but the original production job on that album is terrible. There's NO BASS at all. It sounds really tinny.
Also, half of the album is boring filler, but I've gone on about that enough in the past.
There's lots of bass. The guitars had no low end at all, so Ellefson had a really scooped tone for that album, all lows and highs. There's plenty of low end, but it's all in the bass and bass drums so not a typical sound.
The remix is shit. It's not as bad as the SFSGSW remix which manages to suck all the character out of the album and be worse than the original mix which was pretty crap to begin with, but it's not good at all. The re-recorded sections were fucking shameful. The only remix Mustaine ever had a hand in which was any kind of improvement was the first KIMB remix but, even then, he managed to leave the snare out of Rattlehead.
The original is perfect. If you want production, Youthanasia is the album. Love it
Youthanasia as far as I'm concerned destroys Rust In Peace on every level. Better songwriting, better production and a real grit to it.
Youthanasia is where they and I parted ways. It's MOR Metal for people who don't like metal, trying oh so hard to get radio plays. It has as much grit as sugar-free muesli with almond milk. Granted, they got even less dangerous but it's still about as edgy as a nice back rub.
"Youthasia has real grit" - April Fools is miles away lad.
A great peeve of mine popped up over the weekend - excessive (whether in length or number) interludes. Hadn't spun "Testimony of the Ancients" in ages and yep, fuck almost every second track being a pointless interlude.
First time I had this album it was on CD, so skipping tracks wasn't too painful, but if I'd have bought it on cassette or vinyl I'd have chucked it in the bin.
Youthanasia has tons of grit IMO. That album was made at an extremely bleak time in Mustaine's life - he'd started injecting heroin I think, and one of his mentors that was helping him to get clean had a relapse and died (the song Addicted To Chaos deals with this). He was basically feeling that he couldn't beat his addictions. TBH it's an album made by a man who can see the grave opening before him, and that really gives it an edge.
Anyway, back to peeves - bands who are really obviously influenced by Pantera but only take the 'tough' and 'macho' aspects of their sound while forgetting that Pantera also had an understanding of dynamics and song structures. A plethora of very dull music has resulted.
Mustaine was on smack in the mid-'80s.
Youthanasia is laughably bad. It's a pop/metal album, its only saving grace is that it's so obviously a commercal cash grab (as opposed to Countdown To Extinction's failed attempt at integrity) that there was no doubt that Mustaine was having a go at Metallica's chart action, ditching any pretense that they were a metal band at that stage.
He's never been credible since.
Youthanasia is a brilliantly written album. Beautiful solos throughout. No, it's not Rest In Peace, but they had done that and had moved onto something more streamlined and song based..I wouldn't say Pop, but definitely more traditional song structures and lengths being used. When you're Metallica and Megadeth and you've gone as far as you can go with the epic and the massive, then it makes sense that you would try to do something that you've never done before. I love both sides of Megadeth up to and including Cryptic Writings, but of course I can understand how people hate it too...that's a taste thing, but it doesn't say anything about the quality of the album. It's not shit, it oozes class, the idea that they had lost their spark etc just doesn't hold up.
I've never been able to listen to it all the way through. I liked CTE but Youthanasia instantly didn't work for me. Mid-tempo dad rock from a band trying to not be a Metal band. I don't mind change at all, but theirs came about as a sad effort to mimic Metallica. Where before they had pushed extremes, now they were a limp copycat and that came across in the songs. I didn't hear Crptic Writings until years after it came out. I was talking to a lad about starting a band who assured me it was a "return to form". Once I heard that piece of crap that band idea went right out the window. I had the perverse pleasure of seeing their Woodstock performance for the first time recently. Baggy beige chinos and short hair, wishing they weren't called Megadeth with a legacy of some of the finest Metal songs ever written, instead pretending to be a pop band who could show up in an episode of Friends. Nauesating and Youthasia was where it came from. Fuck that album :laugh:
No, Risk is where that started. They cut their hair down and went all baggy. It's fucking awful to watch in fairness :laugh:
The crimes of Youthanasia must never be forgotten
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(https://loudwire.com/files/2015/10/Megadeth-1994.jpg)
While I really like Youthanasia, those photos are atrocious. I can't even decide which one is worse.
That's all fairly metal still..take a look at the Woodstock performance, awfulll.
I actually quite enjoy Youthanasia as it's a toe-tapping radio-friendly rock album.
I don't even think of them as the same band that made RiP.
Youthanasia is a great album imo.
QuoteYouthanasia is a brilliantly written album. Beautiful solos throughout
That's it in a nutshell. It's a fantastic album, the last truely great Megadeth record. I see it more of a case of the band aging gracefully than being a cash grab. It's certainly far far superior to anything they've released from 2001 onward, most of those records get played once or twice then shelved. I think current Metallica and Megadeth especially sound pathetic trying to recapture their earlier sound. As pointed out already the songs on Youthanasia are so well crafted, there's not a wasted riff on the record. How many solos can you recall off later Deth albums? Each and every one on Youthanasia is memorable.
I think Megadeth did ok pushing on from here, Cryptic is a bit of a mess because they tried to please everyone. Risk is the blatant attempt to break into the more commercial arena but there's still a handful of good songs on it, they obviously believed in what they were doing. Literally everything after is Megadeth 101. Even the System Has Failed which people seem to worship for some reason.
Quote from: Cryptic Stench on July 30, 2019, 08:59:29 AM
QuoteYouthanasia is a brilliantly written album. Beautiful solos throughout
That's it in a nutshell. It's a fantastic album, the last truely great Megadeth record. I see it more of a case of the band aging gracefully than being a cash grab. It's certainly far far superior to anything they've released from 2001 onward, most of those records get played once or twice then shelved. I think current Metallica and Megadeth especially sound pathetic trying to recapture their earlier sound. As pointed out already the songs on Youthanasia are so well crafted, there's not a wasted riff on the record. How many solos can you recall off later Deth albums? Each and every one on Youthanasia is memorable.
I think Megadeth did ok pushing on from here, Cryptic is a bit of a mess because they tried to please everyone. Risk is the blatant attempt to break into the more commercial arena but there's still a handful of good songs on it, they obviously believed in what they were doing. Literally everything after is Megadeth 101. Even the System Has Failed which people seem to worship for some reason.
Nail on the head with everything you´ve written. Anyone who thinks that Youthanasia is a by the numbers job needs to watch the [ making of movie Evolver. It's an incredible opportunity to see the songwriting process, production and engineering process of a band at the height of their powers. Mustaine definitely wasn't on drugs, he's actually the best he's ever been. Friedman is the one showing signs of not being entirely into it all though some of his performances on the album are godlike.
It's a band that is focussed, tight as fuck, and like a seasoned boxer, they can temper their power and bring it to the fore when they need to. The same band could play Rust In Piece and all them riffs equally as well, but they chose to streamline their sound, hold back on the erraticness and wildness of earlier efforts and focus everything on solid, punchy, tight songs. Rush did the same with Permanent Waves.
As musicians there are only so many times you can go for the 12 minute epic without boring the life out of yourselves. Youthanasia was a huge achievement for the band which can be felt throughout the documentary. After that album things got ropey. Cryptic is their last decent effort. System Has Failed and World Needs had some moments, but, similar to Metallica, their best days are behind them. All that said, seeing them in the Ulster Hall in 2005 is one of the highlights of my gig going life...they were incredible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yzhda8fV7U
Gigs that are only advertised on the internet/facebook. I've noticed an increasing number of "Not my gig but noone else mentioned it" posts in the forum (Steo's Hexis post earlier for example). I'd never have known Terzij DeHorde were playing Dublin this Thursday if Johan hadn't asked me if I was around for it either.
One would think the job of a promoter is to actually promote rather than merely set up a facebook event and hope for the best.
Even with that gig there's pretty much no information about it online either. All I've been able to find is a half-assed facebook page with no mention of times or price, and the bands aren't even linked to it so you'd have no way of knowing unless you were specifically trying to hunt it down.
Is there a large percentage of crowds at gigs who aren't aware there's actually a gig on, and they've simply went out for a pint and happened to have walked into a gig?
Quote from: Pentagrimes on July 30, 2019, 03:39:15 PM
Gigs that are only advertised on the internet/facebook. I've noticed an increasing number of "Not my gig but noone else mentioned it" posts in the forum (Steo's Hexis post earlier for example). I'd never have known Terzij DeHorde were playing Dublin this Thursday if Johan hadn't asked me if I was around for it either.
One would think the job of a promoter is to actually promote rather than merely set up a facebook event and hope for the best.
Yeah, I don't use facebook so it can be a bit of a nightmare finding out about gigs in advance. I always used metal ireland for this purpose as the gig forum was always quite active.
This forum is decent enough but the gig threads tend to sink like lead balloons.
Not that I have much time for gigs anymore anyway.
Quote from: Pedrito on July 30, 2019, 10:15:09 AM
All that said, seeing them in the Ulster Hall in 2005 is one of the highlights of my gig going life...they were incredible.
Does anybody else recall some christians picketing this? I'm pretty sure one had a sign saying 'Megalife' and another with some sort of reference to 'reckoning day' :laugh: They did their homework in fairness. Although if they'd done enough they'd have found out that Dave is a christian.
I think its kinda essential to be on social media for info and updates etc for lots of things.
You dont have to be friends with anyone or interact if its not your thing,just follow promoters and bands etc to keep you updated.Social media can be painful ,but it has some good use too.
Exactly, I pretty much do that with my Facebook account, I've all my actual friends feeds hidden because I don't need to be reminded how awesome all their lives are 24-7.
Yeah, fucking hell..deleted my facebook over a year ago and then had to set up a bogus account just to follow venues/promoters who don't bother advertising gigs. Annoying as fuck. And I don't check it very often so I still miss stuff !
Yeah that gig (I may actually just go post it for them cos even the band have had zero contact from the promoter about it) is the worst example I've come across recently. Like if your friends in another country are messaging you about a gig 20 minutes from your front door that you don't know about in a venue you pass every day, the person putting that on needs to cop the fuck on.
Its kinda hard to keep up in the modern era if your not on social media.Weather you're looking for info on a Restaurant,Bar,metal band,football team etc etc social media is the first thing they update with new news/info.
Going back when facebook took off it was all about the friends and interaction,its definitely changed into more of a advertising tool or a message board.
I find myself just scrolling past friends posting up bollocks every 5 min,and stopping at photos of a gig or match,or news about something im interested in.
Any of my friends that arent on social media are generally miles behind info wise.
Got rid of facebook at least 5 years ago and I would not bother my hole with a shell account for that kind of stuff. If their best effort is a post on facebook and I don't get to hear about it through other means, fuck them. Life is too short.
Quote from: Juggz on July 31, 2019, 10:07:57 AM
Life is too short.
for falling out with friends or family!? surely it isnt to short to press an app on your phone to check for local gigs!? :laugh:
Too short for anything to do with facebook. Fuck them.
I reckon if I set up a fake account I wouldn't bother checking it. Just not used to social media at all really.
I assume facebook has put the ancient and noble art of gig postering to rest too? I don't live in the city anymore so wouldn't see them. I only recall seeing posters for big gigs in recent times.
I'm not a fan of Facebook which was a major factor to setting up Metal Warfare in the first place. I don't always get round to making a thread for every gig I come across, but I do make sure to add them to the gig calendar, so I definitely recommend keeping an eye on it: https://www.metalwarfare.com/gigs/
When gigs get posted on the forum, they're added to the calendar. Other than that it's only really gigs I discover when browsing through the promoter list: https://www.metalwarfare.com/promoters-and-venues
If there's any missing gigs or promoters then please let me know and I'll get it all updated! Even if you can just fire me a link containing information, I'm happy to flesh out all the details and keep it up to date!
Quote from: Tee on July 31, 2019, 01:32:49 PM
I reckon if I set up a fake account I wouldn't bother checking it. Just not used to social media at all really.
I assume facebook has put the ancient and noble art of gig postering to rest too? I don't live in the city anymore so wouldn't see them. I only recall seeing posters for big gigs in recent times.
Packed in fb a couple of years ago and wouldn't go back. I never checked it regularly so still missed gigs. There's so many gigs happening in Cork these days and they are rarely advertised on Metal Warfare (I check here regularly). The only time I find out about them is posters around town, so flyering is still doing it's job.
Promoters/Venues aside, I don't know why bands wouldn't plug their gigs here.
At 31 years of age I recently came to realise that social media is one of the worst indictments of the world we live in today so I accordingly deleted my Instagram and Snapchat accounts. I would delete facebook but it really is an invaluable source for gigs. I don't just listen to metal so fb is good for finding out what other stuff is going on-case in point the exploited gig in the Voodoo Lounge in November.
I get the whole anti social media/Facebook thing if it was 7/8 years ago,but its morphed into something useful now imo.
Like i said you dont have to be friends with anyone,just use it purely as a tool for gig/band info etc.
Been getting into Savatage recently and started to pick up a few of the remasters that spell out the band name when they're all put together...but they don't go in the right order of release. What maniac signed off on that?!
Quote from: Trev on March 21, 2021, 09:24:39 AM
Been getting into Savatage recently and started to pick up a few of the remasters that spell out the band name when they're all put together...but they don't go in the right order of release. What maniac signed off on that?!
Their LPs from the 80's and early 90's are pulling some money nowadays. I have Gutter Ballet and Streets: A Rock Opera on vinyl.
https://www.discogs.com/Savatage-Gutter-Ballet/release/3959559
Quote from: Trev on March 21, 2021, 09:24:39 AM
Been getting into Savatage recently and started to pick up a few of the remasters that spell out the band name when they're all put together...but they don't go in the right order of release. What maniac signed off on that?!
The Iron Maiden remasters from a few years back were the same - the spines were meant to make a picture of Eddie from the debut but they don't line up properly and are out of order. Annoying.
Yeah I have most of those Savatag e remasters on the shelves, they look a right mess
Quote from: Cosmic_Equilibrium on July 28, 2019, 11:02:22 PM
Anyway, back to peeves - bands who are really obviously influenced by Pantera but only take the 'tough' and 'macho' aspects of their sound while forgetting that Pantera also had an understanding of dynamics and song structures. A plethora of very dull music has resulted.
Also a peeve of mine. An even bigger one is that this then tarnished the legacy of Pantera as well. They're kind of dismissed a fair bit now because of all the knuckle-dragging bands trying to live out the vulgar videos, but Pantera themselves where a monster of a band. They had that Led Zeppelin-esque quality of band interplay, dynamics, and feel, as well as their immense individual talent. You might like the songs of Sabbath, Maiden, Metallica etc better, but arguably none were as talented as Pantera.