Inspired mainly by the discussion of the best Slayer album on the Slayer thread....
What's your favourite top four albums by the so called 'Big 4' thrash bands?
The albums that you have played and cherished the most over the years?
For me it's.......
METALLICA
1: Ride the Lightning (1984)
2: Master of Puppets (1986)
3: Kill 'em All (1983)
4: ...And Justice for All (1988)
MEGADETH
1: Peace Sells... but Who's Buying? (1986)
2: Killing Is My Business... and Business Is Good! (1985}
3: So Far, So Good... So What! (1988)
4: Countdown to Extinction (1992)
SLAYER
1: Reign in Blood (1986)
2: South of Heaven (1988)
3: Seasons in the Abyss (1990)
4: Hell Awaits (1985)
ANTHRAX
1: Among the Living (1987)
2: Persistence of Time (1990)
3: State of Euphoria (1988)
4: Sound of White Noise (1993)
I have chosen 4 albums from each band because I genuinely don't reach for any other Metallica album bar the four I've listed above nowadays but feel free to add more from each band if you wish to....
How can you rank Killing Is My Business and Countdown but not RIP? You trippin' boy. I was expecting a total of 4 best from the big 4. There'd be no Anthrax even in a top 10 of my favourite albums from the big 4.
METALLICA
and Justice for all
Kill em all
Master of Puppets
Ride the Lightening
MEGADETH
Rust in Peace
Peace Sells... but Who's Buying?
So Far, So Good... So What!
Countdown to Extinction
SLAYER
Divine Intervention (yes i know controversial but was my first album i got from them)
Reign in Blood
Hell Awaits
Seasons
ANTHRAX
None an absolute shite band, I say give me "Onslaught - the force" !
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 19, 2019, 11:29:11 AM
How can you rank Killing Is My Business and Countdown but not RIP? You trippin' boy. I was expecting a total of 4 best from the big 4. There'd be no Anthrax even in a top 10 of my favourite albums from the big 4.
Killing is pure nostalgia for me. Its the first proper 'heavy/fast' album I had ever heard in full (I had a couple of badly copied thrash compilation tapes before this). It was my proper gateway to the heavier mid-80s sound....
Killing is great, I'm not denying that, but it seems odd to rank both its raw style AND the heavily produced style of Countdown, but not RIP which is metal perfection; smooth but frenetic. Takes all sorts!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 19, 2019, 12:12:08 PM
Killing is great, I'm not denying that, but it seems odd to rank both its raw style AND the heavily produced style of Countdown, but not RIP which is metal perfection; smooth but frenetic. Takes all sorts!
Those listed above are simply the albums I have listened to (and continue to) the most over the years. Musical tastes are subjective my dear man.
If it's any consolation, Rust is my 5th favourite Megadeth album.
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Quote from: stevie-0 on June 19, 2019, 01:02:15 PM
Oh this old thread again...always raises the heartbeat in those who dont know there is no such thing as best album...only favourite album.
:laugh:
I guess it was just Countdown that made it seem a funny four. Like if someone said their top four Metallica albums were Kill 'Em All, Ride the Lightning, AJFA, and The Black Album.
In simple chronological order, my list would be like this:
Metallica: First four.
Megadeth: Peace Sells, SFSGSW, RIP, Youthanasia.
Slayer: Hell Awaits, Reign In Blood, South of Heaven, Seasons In The Abyss (which I'm not particularly keen on, but still prefer to anything later).
Anthrax: I think I may once have listened to an entire Anthrax album.
Metallica: Lightning, Puppets, ANJA, KEA
Megadeth: RIP, Peace Sells, Countdown, KIMB.
Slayer: Hell Awaits, RIB, Seasons, SOH
Anthrax: Among the Living, Spreading the Disease.
Although I'm a fan of the first 6 albums, I've always felt the covers on the first three Megadeth album really bring them down, the production on KIMB and SFSGSW are rubbish too, they did a good job remixing KIMB last year so hopefully SFSGSW gets a similar treatment. Youthanasia is an underrated record too.
SFSGSW with Poland and Samuelson plus the same sound as Peace Sells would have been so, so good. And agreed on the covers, I think that's a kinda universal opinion! I guess when it comes to the drugs, ya gotta take a bit of shit with that sugar!
Metallica
1. ...AJFA, 2.MoP, 3. RiL, 4. Load
Slayer
1. RiB, 2. Divine Intervention, 3. SitA, 4. SoH
Megadeth
1. RiP, 2. PS...BWB, 3. Youthanasia, 4. ...
Anthrax
Ha, nope.
I can maybe interchange my first two Metallica albums, RtL isn't even close to them (Fade to Black, Escape are awful shite) and I'll go for Load any day over the rest, K'eA included as it bores me to tears. Doesn't have the bite necessary to really make me care for it.
I think Slayer are the most consistent of the lot of them, though I don't rate Hell Awaits at all. I'll even give God Hates Us All and World Painted Blood the odd spin.
With Megadeth it's not even close. RiP is in a different league to everything else they've ever done. To be honest it's in a different league to most other records. Peace Sells is a classic record too, but let down by the shite Willie Nelson cover. Youthanasia is the sound of a band going commercial and nailing it. Outside of those three I only listen to the odd song here and there.
Anthrax have always been a bad fucking joke.
Holy fuck, Ride ,Kill, Hell, tossed aside like that? Albums I would term classics. Damn, it doesnt matter to me much now whether you dig Septagon or not :laugh:
This is a nightmare poll though. Head wrecking.
Gonna nail my colours up though and go
1. Metallica - Ride The Lightning
2. Slayer - Reign In Blood
3. Megadeth - Rust In Peace
4. Megadeth - Peace Sells....But Who's Buying
Now if anyone starts a "Best Song From The Big Four" thread ,my head will actually explode.
Last 2 Anthrax albums have been much better than the last Metallica, slayer and megadeth albums.
Agreed.
Slayer:
1.Divine Intervention
2. Seasons in the Abyss
3. South of Heaven
4. Reign in Blood
Metallica:
1. Master of Puppets
2. Justice
3. Ride the Lightning
4. Kill 'em All
Anthrax:
1. Sound of White Noise
2. We've Come for you all
3. The Greater of Two Evils ( A lot of the tracks on this album are way better versions than the Belladonna ones)
4. Persistence of Time (Excluding Got The Time)
Megadeth:
1. Peace Sells
2. Rust In Peace
3. So far so good
4. Killing is my Business
Eh, it's best four from the top four, not four of each
1. Metallica - Best of Album
2. Slayer - Best of Album
3. Megadeth - Best of Album
4. Megadeth - Best of Album
Best ofs are for music tourists, don't possess a single one and never will, creative answer though!
Master of Puppets
South of Heaven
Countdown (im not a big megadeth fan but i realky like this)
Persistence of Time.
Quote from: Blitzer666 on June 19, 2019, 09:05:37 PM
Last 2 Anthrax albums have been much better than the last Metallica, slayer and megadeth albums.
Absolutely
Quote from: Thorn on June 19, 2019, 10:40:15 PM
Eh, it's best four from the top four, not four of each
Best four from each in op... otherwise Anthrax wouldn't get any look in at all! :P :abbath:
Ah just copped that after rereading the op, fucksake, be here all night, fave. Anthrax is Persistence of Time..leave it at that.
Master of Puppets
Reign In Blood
The Legacy :)
Game Over :)
Quote from: Blitzer666 on June 19, 2019, 09:05:37 PM
Last 2 Anthrax albums have been much better than the last Metallica, slayer and megadeth albums.
Which is like saying "my last two shits are better than yours".
Metallica - switch between Lightning and Puppets as my favourite, but I find that myself going to a mix of Load/Reload if I want to listen to them these days
Slayer - Seasons in the Abyss, loved Reign in Blood when I first heard it but started to find it a bit repetitive as the years went on. Was a bit older when I finally got around to Hell Awaits so it never had the impact on me that the others did
Megadeth - Rust in Peace is the only one I'd have time for, a lot of great tracks on the other early stuff but also a lot I skip over whenever I put them on
Anthrax - eh, maybe Sound of White Noise, or WHCFYA, definitely something from the Bush era anyway
Quote from: Thorn on June 19, 2019, 08:11:25 PM
Now if anyone starts a "Best Song From The Big Four" thread ,my head will actually explode.
Mine are clear-cut! :abbath:
The Thing That Should Not Be
Postmortem
Leper Messiah
Devil's Island
They're the songs that sparked my interested in metal, but they still hold up to constant listening.
Anthrax suck big guido balls..
Big 3 list coming shortly :abbath:
Quote from: Ducky on June 20, 2019, 09:22:19 AM
Quote from: Blitzer666 on June 19, 2019, 09:05:37 PM
Last 2 Anthrax albums have been much better than the last Metallica, slayer and megadeth albums.
Which is like saying "my last two shits are better than yours".
Have u listened to them or u just following the rest of the sheep?
Man imagine thinking that Divine Intervention is Slayer's best album...
Metallica
1. Kill Em All
2. Master of Puppets
3. Ride the Lightning
4. And Justice for All
Megadeth
1. Peace Sells
2. Rust in Peace
3. Killing is my Business
4. So Far So Good
Slayer
1. Show No Mercy
2. Reign in Blood
3. Hell Awaits
4. Can I put Haunting the Chapel? If not Seasons in the Abyss is not bad I guess...
Anthrax
1. Among the Living
2. Fistful of Metal
3. Spreading the Disease
4. State of Euphoria
Megadeth are the most consistently good out of the lot. Slayer phoned it in in the 90s. Metallica are a stadium rock band that don't play thrash metal anymore. Anthrax are a lot better live than they are on record.
Ahh lads Anthrax aren't *that bad, they have decent tracks here and there, aaanyway my pick for them is 'Persistence of Time', Megadave 'Rust in Peace', Ex-Alcoholica 'Justice' or 'Lightning', Slayerrrrr 'South of Heaven'.
Quote from: Blitzer666 on June 20, 2019, 12:28:36 PM
Quote from: Ducky on June 20, 2019, 09:22:19 AM
Quote from: Blitzer666 on June 19, 2019, 09:05:37 PM
Last 2 Anthrax albums have been much better than the last Metallica, slayer and megadeth albums.
Which is like saying "my last two shits are better than yours".
Have u listened to them or u just following the rest of the sheep?
My opinion is "they're shit" so I think that implies I've listened to them and think they're shit, does it not?
Calling people "sheep" because they don't like shit like Anthrax. I bet you have a goatee just like Scott Ian an' all.
Metallica
And Justice for All
Master of Puppets
Ride the Lightning
Kill Em All
Slayer
South of Heaven
Reign in Blood
Seasons in the Abyss
Show No Mercy
Megadave
Peace Sells
So Far So Good So What
Rust in Peace
Countdown
Anthrax
Spreading the Disease
Among the Living
State of Euphoria
Persistence of Time.
Quote from: Ducky on June 21, 2019, 03:16:19 AM
Quote from: Blitzer666 on June 20, 2019, 12:28:36 PM
Quote from: Ducky on June 20, 2019, 09:22:19 AM
Quote from: Blitzer666 on June 19, 2019, 09:05:37 PM
Last 2 Anthrax albums have been much better than the last Metallica, slayer and megadeth albums.
Which is like saying "my last two shits are better than yours".
Have u listened to them or u just following the rest of the sheep?
My opinion is "they're shit" so I think that implies I've listened to them and think they're shit, does it not?
Calling people "sheep" because they don't like shit like Anthrax. I bet you have a goatee just like Scott Ian an' all.
You've properly listened to their last 2 albums, even tho anthrax are shit!? U must have plenty of time on yer hands. Tell yer ma I'll be round about 10, once u are tucked up in bed.
Metallica:
1) Ride The Lightning
2) ...And Justice For All
3) Load
4) Master Of Puppets
Slayer:
1) South Of Heaven
2) Show No Mercy
3) Seasons In The Abyss
4) Reign In Blood
Megadeth:
1) Youthanasia
2) KIMB
3) SFSGSW
4) Countdown
Never really got into Anthrax much.
Not quite a top 4 of each, just the albums I can be bothered with in the order I rate them.
Metallica:
1. Ride The Lightning
2. Master Of Puppets
3. ...And Justice For All
4. Kill 'Em All
Slayer:
1. South Of Heaven
=2. Seasons In The Abyss
=2. Show No Mercy
4. Reign In Blood
5. Divine Intervention
Megadeth:
1. Rust In Peace
2. Peace Sells... But Who's Buying?
3. So Far... So Good... So What?
Don't care after that.
Anthrax:
1. Persistence Of Time
2. Among The Living
3. Spreading The Disease
4. Worship Metal
5. State Of Euphoria
6. We've Come For You All
Top 4 of those would just be each band's number 1 above. I can't stand Hell Awaits, apart from the title track. Sloppily written, played and produced. Never a fan of Fistful Of Metal, and Killing Is My Business... is one of the worst things I've heard.
Reckon a best 4 from the combined top 4 is a way more interesting thread, otherwise it's just pointless, mainly predictable long lists. Also, are we still considering Anthrax 'Big 4' at this point?
Anyways, my list today (which would be completely different from my teenage list) would be:
1. Megadeth - Rust in Piece
2. Metallica - Ride the Lightning
3. Megadeth - Peace Sells
4. Suicidal Tendencies - self titled
4. Slayer - Reign in Blood
Am I the only one here who thinks Peace sells is shite??
Quote from: Bogmetaller on July 15, 2019, 04:32:58 PM
Am I the only one here who thinks Peace sells is shite??
It's a total classic start to finish, the riffs are cool, the solos from Poland and Mustaine are all amazing, there's thrashin'...c'mon man🤯
The cover song is dogshit. Apart from that it's a great album.
Must be just me so :laugh: like I couldn't put it anywhere near rust in peace - to me that is in the top 5 metal albums ever!
Nah, not dogshit but there's only three, maybe four songs I'd ever listen to off it. Better than both albums released either side of it but not a patch on Rust in Peace
Holy Wars..the Punishment Due...pisses over any song written by the other top 3......
'Wake up Dead' by Megadeth is one of the best metal songs ever recorded, have never got sick of hearing it.
Quote from: The Heretic on July 15, 2019, 09:39:08 PM
Holy Wars..the Punishment Due...pisses over any song written by the other top 3......
I would nearly have to agree with you to be honest........
Like a load of folks already mentioned here was there ever really a big 4 surely it's always been a Big 3 and Anthrax not much more than an also ran..
If we're being really honest Slayer were also never the huge mass pull of Metallica and Megadeth certainly not in that big cross over out of Metal.
Still I'll give you my top 6
1 – Lightening
2- Justice
3- Puppets
4 – Rust in Peace
5 – Peace Sells
6 – Reign In Blood
Maybe or not controversial opinions..
Killing is my business and Kill 'Em All just haven't aged well at all, I'd take the John Bush Anthrax stuff over the Joey material. Do Slayer really have any more than a 2 disc best of material that's worth blasting, they're guilty of a very patchy output.
Slayers output until 1990 was pure gold. Every right to be there.
They never had a major record the way Megadeth did but they never lost their fan base either. Slayer are definitely a bigger draw live and that's exemplified by the running order on the Big 4 shows
Quote from: Cryptic Stench on July 16, 2019, 01:33:35 PM
Slayers output until 1990 was pure gold. Every right to be there.
They never had a major record the way Megadeth did but they never lost their fan base either. Slayer are definitely a bigger draw live and that's exemplified by the running order on the Big 4 shows
It's certainly close, but considering Slayer are more extreme, it's impressive that they would even have as much of a draw.
I would say Megadeth would have weathered the storm better with the Rust in Peace lineup as opposed to the circus it turned into.
Quote from: welshchris on July 16, 2019, 12:44:53 PM
Like a load of folks already mentioned here was there ever really a big 4 surely it's always been a Big 3 and Anthrax not much more than an also ran..
If we're being really honest Slayer were also never the huge mass pull of Metallica and Megadeth certainly not in that big cross over out of Metal.
The Big Four was obvious at the end of the 80's, when it was relevant. They were the four biggest selling bands to come out of thrash, no matter what revisionist filters are now applied with 30 years of distance. Were it the Big Four of crossover appeal out of Metal, you'd probably have to make some room for Korn and Limp Bizkit.
Take the first four albums of each and you've got most of what you need.
Quote from: Papa Het on July 17, 2019, 09:32:28 AM
Quote from: welshchris on July 16, 2019, 12:44:53 PM
Like a load of folks already mentioned here was there ever really a big 4 surely it's always been a Big 3 and Anthrax not much more than an also ran..
If we're being really honest Slayer were also never the huge mass pull of Metallica and Megadeth certainly not in that big cross over out of Metal.
The Big Four was obvious at the end of the 80's, when it was relevant. They were the four biggest selling bands to come out of thrash, no matter what revisionist filters are now applied with 30 years of distance. Were it the Big Four of crossover appeal out of Metal, you'd probably have to make some room for Korn and Limp Bizkit.
Take the first four albums of each and you've got most of what you need.
The Big Four were touring together as recently as 2011. Anthrax are definitely in the equation....
https://youtu.be/k1bxdjWLgRc
I'd hardly be an Anthrax fan but c'mon, "Among The Living" is great - admittedly that might be cos I was about 10 when it came out and it was probably the only thrash album I could get in Waterford, but I played the shit out of it as a kid and I still love it. Is it the wackiness that people don't like about them?
Quote from: Pentagrimes on July 17, 2019, 10:31:05 AM
I'd hardly be an Anthrax fan but c'mon, "Among The Living" is great - admittedly that might be cos I was about 10 when it came out and it was probably the only thrash album I could get in Waterford, but I played the shit out of it as a kid and I still love it. Is it the wackiness that people don't like about them?
I absolutely loved them as a kid (along with the other 3) and have a particular soft spot for them because they were the first band I got to see live. Albeit at that infamous Top Hat gig in Dún Laoghaire in 1989..... Hahahaha, 5 songs...
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/anthrax/1989/top-hat-ballroom-dublin-ireland-1bdac108.html
The wackiness was definitely an annoyance at the time. Part of Persistence Of Time's appeal for me is that they ditched the majority of that shtick at the time and just got on with it (didn't last long - hello I'm The Man '91, Milk, etc.) and produced their finest music IMO.
Quote from: Carnage on July 17, 2019, 11:03:02 AM
The wackiness was definitely an annoyance at the time. Part of Persistence Of Time's appeal for me is that they ditched the majority of that shtick at the time and just got on with it (didn't last long - hello I'm The Man '91, Milk, etc.) and produced their finest music IMO.
Yep, a lot of people would choose Persistence of Time as their go to Anthrax album alright.
After a lot of careful thought and deliberation I have finally settled on my list.
Metallica
1. Garage Inc.
2. Re-Load
3. St. Anger
4. Load
Slayer
1. Diabolus in Musica
2. Christ Illusion
3. God Hates Us All
4. Undisputed Attitude
Megadeath
1. Risk
2. The World Needs a Herp
3. Super Collider
4. Cryptic Writings
Anthrax
1. Bring the Noise single
2. Volume 8: The Threat is Real
3. Stomp 442
4. State of Euphoria
They have always had a strong element of humour through what they did. Still do. It doesn't diminish the quality of the music or how seriously they approached making it. Among The Living is a great album. Bush-era were the only good albums coming out of any of the Big Four past the very early 90's.
Quote from: Pentagrimes on July 17, 2019, 10:31:05 AM
I'd hardly be an Anthrax fan but c'mon, "Among The Living" is great - admittedly that might be cos I was about 10 when it came out and it was probably the only thrash album I could get in Waterford, but I played the shit out of it as a kid and I still love it. Is it the wackiness that people don't like about them?
I was similar in that 'Among..' was my first taste of the band back then as a youngster. I still think it's a strong album though I could live the rest of my life without hearing 'Caught in a mosh' ever again. There are other stronger tracks on the album.
The 'Wackiness' as you put it was probably just their cartoonish logo (that weird head thing) and their skater gear and Bermuda shorts etc, especially during the 'State of Euphoria' days (which isn't actually a half bad album either- 'Now it's Dark' is amazing.)
Oh the shorts/skateboarding/cartoony logo/guitar covered in Ninja Turtle stickers definitely endeared me to them as a kid. Whereas when I saw "Hell Awaits" on Sky channell around the same time, I was fucking terrified of Slayer.
My introduction to Anthrax was Metal Thrashing Mad on a compilation and then the Oidivnikufesin video, so that image was ingrained from the get-go. I was so happy when they ditched it, the music seemed to grow up with them. But yeah, Among The Living and Spreading The Disease (and State Of Euphoria, I suppose) are great, if far from perfect albums.
Anthrax are one of the worst bands ive ever heard
Quote from: Papa Het on July 17, 2019, 11:13:52 AM
They have always had a strong element of humour through what they did. Still do. It doesn't diminish the quality of the music or how seriously they approached making it. Among The Living is a great album. Bush-era were the only good albums coming out of any of the Big Four past the very early 90's.
Nah, God Hates Us All and World Painted Blood are decent to great.
Quote from: Ducky on July 17, 2019, 08:40:32 PM
Quote from: Papa Het on July 17, 2019, 11:13:52 AM
They have always had a strong element of humour through what they did. Still do. It doesn't diminish the quality of the music or how seriously they approached making it. Among The Living is a great album. Bush-era were the only good albums coming out of any of the Big Four past the very early 90's.
Nah, God Hates Us All and World Painted Blood are decent to great.
Divine intervention came out in 94- Bush was in Anthrax with two years at that point. Savage album
Indeed, and their last essential one IMO. God Hates Us All and Repentless are probaly the only decent ones since, but neither one's a classic.
Worship Metal is the best big 4 album of the last 20-25 years IMO.
Divine Intervention is where Araya checked out creatively and settled into that vocal rut he has been in ever since, shout three lines and scream the fourth, then repeat. It's average at best. There's none of the creativity or imagination of Reign in Blood or South of Heaven, just the sound of lads giving up.
The production's a bit lacklustre and 'thin' compared to the preceding three, too. The songs are there, though they're hit & miss and noth8ng compared to their classics. Still a good album.
Quote from: Papa Het on July 18, 2019, 08:08:34 AM
Divine Intervention is where Araya checked out creatively and settled into that vocal rut he has been in ever since, shout three lines and scream the fourth, then repeat. It's average at best. There's none of the creativity or imagination of Reign in Blood or South of Heaven, just the sound of lads giving up.
Have to disagree completely here - killing fields is one of the best slower paced song Slayer ever did and on the flip side Dittohead is one of the best fast songs they ever did. That song is insane.
Disagree with Divine too, lyrically speaking some of the stuff is amongst Arayas best, many of the lyrics moving away from satanic themes and dealing with real life horrors. 213, Sex Murder and Killing fields all exemplify the approach.
Vocally I'd concede and agree that there's some one dimensional approaches to a lot of the songs but the material is so ferocious I don't see scope for anything else, it'd be like saying there's too much growling on a death metal album. In Serenity and murder where there's a tad more space you find he's more creative.
There are still ways to deliver some character in extreme music but Araya was just belting out syllables. He might as well have been shouting out the phone book. Listen to how he added personality to the earlier stuff. Seriously, count how many songs he just trots out the 3 shout lines followed by the screamed line. Be warned, though, once you hear it you'll hear it all over every album the did since and it'll ruin them too :laugh:
There were already shades of that vocal approach on Seasons, but yeah, the later stuff I can't stick the vocals at all because of it.
If all of the big 4 stopped releasing albums a good 25 years ago would their legacy be any different? It crazy to think how much quality came out in such a short space of time and basically so little quality in the time since.
I'd prob put the last Metallica album as the best of the bunch in all that time, if they'd cut it down to a 45 min album would have been a total cracker.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 18, 2019, 11:52:56 AM
There were already shades of that vocal approach on Seasons, but yeah, the later stuff I can't stick the vocals at all because of it.
I don't think there was ever much scope for experimenting with Araya's singing in the first place - he wasn't a singer per se more a shouter for want of a better way of putting it.
Yeah Araya's vocals have always been fairly one dimensional, don't think they've really changed too much over the years
That thing about shouting a few lines then screaming the last pretty much sounds like the Angel of Death delivery
Lads you can't critique Araya and not criticise the rest. Hetfield's vocals have been a joke since Load. I'll give you that he's rediscovered some sort of form but the -ah at the end of every fucking sentence wears thin.
Mustaine? I've heard cats that can do better. He's resorted to formula too, chat your way through a verse followed by a melodic chorus you've not a hope of ever replicating live.
QuoteIf all of the big 4 stopped releasing albums a good 25 years ago would their legacy be any different
This is probably a more interesting topic as quite clearly these bands first 4-5 releases are probably and unarguably where it's at for most.
From Slayer I rate Divine and to be fair I listen to World Painted Blood a lot, that's really their last album for me.
Megadeth it's Youthanasia a really mature record for them. Anything they've released post risk has been play 5 times then shelve.
Metallica - Load/Reload not so much because they're classics but it's the last time they made an effort. St Anger is one of the worst things ever recorded, only bettered by LULU and Death Magnetic/Hardwired are both chores to get through. Vaguely recalling classic, superior material
Anthrax - probably my least favourite of the four but they've weathered somewhat better. Sound Of White Noise is awesome, as is WHCFYA. The material since Joey's return ain't too bad either.
Quote from: Cryptic Stench on July 18, 2019, 02:54:56 PM
Lads you can't critique Araya and not criticise the rest.
That's fair :laugh:
Hetfield has been questionable since he blew his voice recording the Black album and started crooning. He's fine for the latter stuff but he hasn't been able to do justice to any of the early songs since. Even touring the Black ablum, he couldn't do the early stuff well at that stage. Mustaine... it's not just that he's all over the shop, but he lost the sneer, the attitude which allowed him to sound amazing despite being nowhere near the right note.
Again, Anthrax come up smelling of roses here, though. Bush is still fantastic. He was superb with Armored Saint in Voodoo last year. Belladonna's voice is weaker than in his prime, you can hear he sounds older, but he's still got the energy and can hit the notes, fair fucks to him. It took me a while to warm to Worship Music and For All Kings but they are good albums and they can still do it live too. Benante also deserves credit, he's a better drummer now than he was in his youth.
Quote from: Cryptic Stench on July 18, 2019, 09:48:27 AM
Disagree with Divine too, lyrically speaking some of the stuff is amongst Arayas best, many of the lyrics moving away from satanic themes and dealing with real life horrors. 213, Sex Murder and Killing fields all exemplify the approach.
Vocally I'd concede and agree that there's some one dimensional approaches to a lot of the songs but the material is so ferocious I don't see scope for anything else, it'd be like saying there's too much growling on a death metal album. In Serenity and murder where there's a tad more space you find he's more creative.
Yiz know Hanneman and King wrote almost all the lyrics?
Quote from: Papa Het on July 19, 2019, 09:45:52 AM
Quote from: Cryptic Stench on July 18, 2019, 02:54:56 PM
Lads you can't critique Araya and not criticise the rest.
That's fair :laugh:
Benante also deserves credit, he's a better drummer now than he was in his youth.
Wanted to say this alright - when they supported slayer in the 3 arena last year it was an experience just to watch him drumming.
Quote from: Ducky on July 19, 2019, 08:08:25 PM
Quote from: Cryptic Stench on July 18, 2019, 09:48:27 AM
Disagree with Divine too, lyrically speaking some of the stuff is amongst Arayas best, many of the lyrics moving away from satanic themes and dealing with real life horrors. 213, Sex Murder and Killing fields all exemplify the approach.
Vocally I'd concede and agree that there's some one dimensional approaches to a lot of the songs but the material is so ferocious I don't see scope for anything else, it'd be like saying there's too much growling on a death metal album. In Serenity and murder where there's a tad more space you find he's more creative.
Yiz know Hanneman and King wrote almost all the lyrics?
South of Heaven, Seasons and Divine Intervention all had about half each album with Araya doing lyrics, either credited on his own or with King/Hanneman. Seemed to do less after that but the ones he did were usually the best stuff on the later albums