Whether its due to growing old , self abuse or just lazy, what once great vocalists just sound unrecognizable ?
i know Nattefrost has battled heroin addiction and he is no spring chicken but his live performances last year where
embarrassing, compare the below vid to the mid 2000's it sounds like a different vocalist completely
Click to 2.26 and youll get my point
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftz3UgJ0Rbk
An easy target is Max Cavalera, i think his voice back in the day was perfect for what the seps where doing now seems age & health caught up.
Max is beyond awful these days.
Phil Anselmo, shockingly bad now. Check out any recent footage, the physical abuse has taken its toll on his body too, literally lumbers around the stage these days.
That Carpathian Forest video is crazy. Doesn't sound anything like the older stuff. Nattefrost always had great screams too
Chris Barnes has been getting pretty bad. He sounds like he's destroyed his throat. The mixing doesn't help much either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=546BI9k_s-8
Poor Nattefrost, never should of stopped the madness.
Ozzy.............
it actually sounds painful for Chris Barnes to sing like that now, and as for ozzy as i was too wasted at the last black sabbath gig to notice his voice,
im hoping he wont sound too bad for this months gig.
Halford still has it saw Priest few months back and his voice sounds great for his age, so he will make up for it if Ozzy sounds sh1te.
on a side note im surprised Danny filth can still sing/scream like he does after all these years
Mille Petrozza. Kreator shows are still good but decades of screaming have taken their toll.
Quote from: Cernunnos on January 05, 2019, 06:45:24 PM
Halford still has it saw Priest few months back and his voice sounds great for his age, so he will make up for it if Ozzy sounds sh1te.
I don't think Rob has had it since the mid 90's. The first Fight album was the last thing he
really nailed it on. Everything since, well sorry, it'd sound better with Ripper on it and that's the fucking truth :laugh:
Hetfield. Just fucking woeful since the mid 90's but he has actually regained a little of his old bark recently, alas the band are worse than ever so... yeay-ah.
Mustaine. The remixed remix of KIMB has These Boots... with a new vocal track. Disgracefully, it has been digitally detuned so he can get somewhere close to pitch on it. I cannot believe they released it, it's fucking shockingly bad.
John Tardy. He still has it, I suppose, but that dementedness which epitomised SWR and coursed through COD just hasn't been there since. He whas transformed himself into a fairly average death metal vocalist phoning it in when he is still capable of so much more.
Ozzy. As mentioned, he couldn't hit a note with a cricket bat these days, but he has also - and he is the only singer I can think of who has accomplished this - managed to lose the ability to sing in time. I picked up The End DVD and just couldn't sit through it. He's so far out of time he might as well not be in the same venue as the band. I congratulate anyone who spent money on a ticket on the gig in the Point.
Quote from: Juggz on January 05, 2019, 08:07:45 PM
Quote from: Cernunnos on January 05, 2019, 06:45:24 PM
Halford still has it saw Priest few months back and his voice sounds great for his age, so he will make up for it if Ozzy sounds sh1te.
I don't think Rob has had it since the mid 90's. The first Fight album was the last thing he really nailed it on. Everything since, well sorry, it'd sound better with Ripper on it and that's the fucking truth :laugh:
Ripper hasn't lost any of his power and can still hit the notes he could 20 years ago, so impressive to hear live
Yeah, saw him in Fibbers a few years ago and he made it look easy. Whatever his technique is, it's fucking flawless.
Quote from: Juggz on January 05, 2019, 08:07:45 PM
Quote from: Cernunnos on January 05, 2019, 06:45:24 PM
Halford still has it saw Priest few months back and his voice sounds great for his age, so he will make up for it if Ozzy sounds sh1te.
I don't think Rob has had it since the mid 90's. The first Fight album was the last thing he really nailed it on. Everything since, well sorry, it'd sound better with Ripper on it and that's the fucking truth :laugh:
ok maybe i was drunk for Priest too, well in my fuzzy head he was great 8) well if ozzy & rob are both sh1te might as well get wasted for the gig :laugh: :laugh:
agree on Hetfield what his vocals morphed into i dont know but its been terrible since the 90s
Yeah, Hetfield immediately springs to mind here. His vocals has descended to a strange parody of the style he initially adopted for the Black album, a kind of quasi-"yarl". I actually think he's the most unlistenable element of the band, and it's the thought of listening to his vocals that would put me off seeing them live ever again. Well that and Trujillo's stupid fucking crab walk.
Hetfield is indeed dreadful. A millionaire that can't walk away from the empire he's built. The man has zero interest in it anymore. I had Hardwired On recently and only dogged persistence got me through it, at one point I was counting the amount of times Hetfield puts an "ah" at the end of a phrase to help me along. Parody is right, just can't take him seriously.
Mikael Åkerfeldt!
In his day probably one of the finest Death Metal vocalist of all time.
Don't think he has the capacity to produce the same gurutal performances anymore.
Could be one of the reasons Opeth have gone so proggy with no Death metal vocals on the last 3 albums.
Last few times I've seen Opeth there is a definite turning down of the mic volume when it come to parts of song with Death metal vocals. He even appears to take a step back from the mic.
Compare this
https://youtu.be/2knvfqaADso
With this
https://youtu.be/azG5X5HKXWs
I actually thought there was a problem with my dvd!
Lucky for Akerfeldt he has a great singing voice to fall back on. Unlike so many others.
Benton.
Ozzy has to be top of this list for me. Been piss-poor the last 3 times I've seen him. And yes, I know he's pushing on but if he isn't up to it, he shouldn't be selling it.
Tp my ears, Mustaine has always been a rubbish vocalist. Could never understand how most seem to like his voice.
Was watching some Rush videos the other day of their last tour and Geddy's voice didn't seem in the best shape. I know he's not going to be hitting those 1970s high notes but it sounded like it was cracking a lot
The recent Megadeth live vocal performances must surely be the worst. When you initially sound like a cat getting mangled in the fan belt of a car you think it wouldn't be possible to get any worse wouldn't you. His guitar playing is falling to shit too.
Also agree on Hetfield but he does seem a bit better lately. His fake Danzig impression around 1994 was possibly the worst though.
Surprised nobody has mentioned Nick Holmes yet. Not so much that he's gotten worse as opposed to just not being arsed. I'm sure he could sing like the older albums if he tried but the enthusiasm doesn't seem to be there.
Ozzy was better than I expected both times I saw him, 'bout eleven years ago and then four years ago. Maybe I was just lucky, but in either case, in terms of performance, he always seems to be giving it everything his profoundly abused and ageing organism can muster, even if his stage antics are the definition of hammy.
From the times I've seen them, going years back now though, I found Ian Gillan - of a very similar vintage - to be far more "unable" to reproduce his earlier glory. Part of the reason I couldn't believe how good Steven Tyler was when I finally saw Aerosmith. When it comes to the human voice, there are just so many variable factors that can and do come into play from individual to individual though, so I don't think there's necessarily a formula that'll work for everyone.
nick holmes was always a fairly shit singer
Always liked Alexi Laiho's vocals on the early Bodom stuff but they just got more annoying as they went on, much like their albums really
Mustaine was always shit lads.
Many might not agree with this one, but Im not sure if Karl Willetts just changed his vocal style or cant sound like he used to.
His vocals in Bolt thrower are one of the powerful elements in the albums, but some songs on the Memoriam albums i cant listen to as his voice is so "thin" sounding, i have seen both Bolt Thrower back in the day and he killed it, as for Memoriam live last time i saw them there were times he sounded excellent but for the most part he doesnt sound like how i remember him as a vocalist, fair enough its a different band but wish he sounded more irate.
I saw Memoriam a few years ago and they were pretty underwhelming,but his vocals seemed fine. Andy Whale's drumming was the weak point. He couldnt seem to keep time
QuoteOzzy was better than I expected both times I saw him
Ah come on, it's been long established he receives additional "help" from offstage.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YDg7nBxqm7I
Glen Benton picking up a pay check there. Think any of us could've done that.
Quote from: Cryptic Stench on December 08, 2019, 11:25:32 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YDg7nBxqm7I
Glen Benton picking up a pay check there. Think any of us could've done that.
::) jesus
Glen Benton's vocals were never good live, he doesn't even sound good on that live album from 1998. The music doesn't sound great either I think Deicide were always one those bands who could never pull it off live except maybe on the Self titled and legion tours.
Scary how far off the mark they are though. Give a pause for thought as to how savage the vocals were on the first record.
Also, that live record is about the time they stopped giving a shit.
I saw them live about a month before that show in the video and he didn't sound anywhere near as bad as that. I really enjoyed the gig but part of that could have been that the last time I saw them before 6 months ago was in 2005.
I seen them in 2012 or so with Jack Owen it was dreadful. I was praying for it to end it was that bad.
They are all 50 odd and are stuck playing a type of utterly one dimensional death metal just to pay the bills. It's not remotely surprising that they sound like shite.
Explain Immolation or Incantation?
Napalm Death? Carcass?
It really shouldn't be that bad.
Quote from: Cryptic Stench on December 08, 2019, 07:31:31 PM
Explain Immolation or Incantation?
Napalm Death? Carcass?
It really shouldn't be that bad.
Ya just cos they are in their 50s does not mean they have to sound shit.
Mc love is on the rag again. Its xmas.
He'll be giving out about a poll or something over the coming weeks.
Quote from: Cryptic Stench on December 08, 2019, 07:31:31 PM
Explain Immolation or Incantation?
Napalm Death? Carcass?
It really shouldn't be that bad.
Napalm and Carcass at least try but things with their sound, (only know a little Immolation and no Incantation so can't really comment on them), whereas Deicide churn out the same shite over and over. Sounds like some really bad vocal effects on that video too. Well actually all the instruments sound bad, really thin, no bit of heft or grit to anything. Outside the first couple albums Deicide have only 1 album worth bothering with and even that appears to have been a complete fluke given what came before and after.
Quote from: blessed1 on December 08, 2019, 07:36:07 PM
Quote from: Cryptic Stench on December 08, 2019, 07:31:31 PM
Explain Immolation or Incantation?
Napalm Death? Carcass?
It really shouldn't be that bad.
Ya just cos they are in their 50s does not mean they have to sound shit.
Mc love is on the rag again. Its xmas.
He'll be giving out about a poll or something over the coming weeks.
Yeah.
The difference with the other bands is that they are still invested in what they are doing. Deicide are middle aged men stuck in a rut. It's not simply that they are middle aged, they have been peddling the same worn out formula for thirty odd years with little variation and that would be grand if they actually sounded interested in their chosen rut, but they sound and look as bored as I'd be if I was watching that gig.
Quote from: Born of Fire on December 08, 2019, 07:44:56 PM
Quote from: Cryptic Stench on December 08, 2019, 07:31:31 PM
Explain Immolation or Incantation?
Napalm Death? Carcass?
It really shouldn't be that bad.
Napalm and Carcass at least try but things with their sound, (only know a little Immolation and no Incantation so can't really comment on them), whereas Deicide churn out the same shite over and over. Sounds like some really bad vocal effects on that video too. Well actually all the instruments sound bad, really thin, no bit of heft or grit to anything. Outside the first couple albums Deicide have only 1 album worth bothering with and even that appears to have been a complete fluke given what came before and after.
Exactly.
I would imagine Ross and John McEntee look after their voices whereas Glen doesn't. John loves this kind of music he lives and breathes it, I would guess Ross is similar whereas Glen doesn't care probably would struggle to name 10 bands currently on the go. Saw both Immolation and Incantation this year and both are still great.
Im always very slow to judge a band (especially vocals) from youtube,iv watched clips of amazing gigs ive been to that come across not so good on youtube.
Only seen Deicide twice ,2002 in Paris and 2004 in the Village ,both times were awesome.