Are we all fucked?

[astfgyl]

https://www.businesspost.ie/construction/construction-firms-threaten-to-down-tools-on-roads-and-housing-schemes-3abb4eee

Was mentioned a bit here but yeah

[warhead]

Speaking of bang for your buck, I'm going to be in Bordeaux for a day in a few weeks. How badly am I going to get pumped Chris? At least in Paris it's kind of funny getting charged 20 quid for two coffees and a bottle of water and the waiter keeps a straight face.

It's noticeably cheaper than Paris, but you're still going to feel ripped off coming from Spain. As warhead was saying, there are plenty of cities where you can get totally ripped off in certain places if you really want to pay it. Like in Paris, I would never have a coffee on a "terrasse" anywhere within earshot, let alone line of sight, of any of the tourist traps. But it's true that in Paris you do find high prices even in unlikely places.

I'll be going to France for an extended weekend in late June, to Paris among other places. I'm already dreading of prospect of having to pay a fortune for bloody crepe, not to mention something more substantial. I'm taking my family to some small festival to see Alice Cooper and then to Paris a day after for Iron Maiden. It will cripple me financially :-)

[Kurt Cocaine]

What a fucking mess this war is. So we have Musrat soldiers fighting for Russia shouting "Alluha Snakbar" while trying to flush out 'Nazis' fighting for Ukraine who are backed by Joos   

Gimme that fookin big red button 

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Grrr, bothersome complexity!

[Kurt Cocaine]

Us Irish certainly are...

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

lol

Imagine having lived as an adult through the property bubble and still trying to claim that its migrants who inflate housing costs. Absolute mush for brains, liquefied daily.

[astfgyl]

But was the influx of cheap foreign labourers in the early 2000s not instrumental to the creation of said bubble in this country?

Not blaming the foreigners either because who'd blame someone for going to a country where the wages are worth quadruple back home? Irish lads would certainly do the exact same but migrants certainly did have an effect as I see it because plenty of those houses would never have been thrown up without them as we simply wouldn't have had the workforce to make it happen.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Economics: supply and demand.
More supply, less demand, price goes down.
Unless someone interferes.
Did migrant labourers interfere?
No.
Migrants have not historically played any major role in inflating house prices in Ireland.
Very Irish cunts have.

[Kurt Cocaine]

Yeah, my mates on the building sites are always regaling me with all the tales of having the craic with Tariq, Mo, Afamefuna, Kwami and the rest of the lads when they're throwing up blocks and slabs all day long

[astfgyl]

Economics: supply and demand.
More supply, less demand, price goes down.
Unless someone interferes.
Did migrant labourers interfere?
No.
Migrants have not historically played any major role in inflating house prices in Ireland.
Very Irish cunts have.

You can't honestly tell me we'd have gotten all those houses built without the Eastern European lads. I worked on the sites with them. It isn't about blaming them, it's about accepting it simply couldn't have been done without them. 

Also, almost all of those houses were built on unsustainable credit and it wasn't as simple as supply and demand. The demand would have been imaginary if it hadn't been the wild west of mortgage approval and planning permission at the time, and didn't that come home to roost in spectacular fashion? I'd blame the Irish for that if it hadn't been a multinational phenomenon but yes the Irish cunts are absolute cunts, for the avoidance of doubt.

Edit: sort of answering the point you didn't make, reading back. Sort of. It's far too simple to just blame the Irish for that one and obviously the foreign workers can't be held responsible for having jobs either.

[Ollkiller]

Between 2004 and 2010 Fianna Fail built 33705 years social houses. From 2011 to 2018 when Fine Gael were in power only 15320 social houses were built. And were living with those bullshit policies to this day.

[Ollkiller]

Edit. Double post.

[Caomhaoin]

Thomas Sowell makes an interesting argument against state intervention in one of his books, at least as far as the rental market goes. Here is a video excerpt

https://youtu.be/hVwLnnseIAU

I know he's one of the darlings of the counter culture conservatives, but still, he talks a lot of sense.

Social housing brings its own set of problems, as we've seen throughout the history of our state and others. Berliners have it sussed, no 'my life goal is to own a house' stuff. I'm under no illusion that if I stop paying the mortgage I'll realise very quickly who owns the gaff.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

You can't honestly tell me we'd have gotten all those houses built without the Eastern European lads. I worked on the sites with them. It isn't about blaming them, it's about accepting it simply couldn't have been done without them. 

Also, almost all of those houses were built on unsustainable credit and it wasn't as simple as supply and demand. The demand would have been imaginary if it hadn't been the wild west of mortgage approval and planning permission at the time, and didn't that come home to roost in spectacular fashion? I'd blame the Irish for that if it hadn't been a multinational phenomenon but yes the Irish cunts are absolute cunts, for the avoidance of doubt.

Edit: sort of answering the point you didn't make, reading back. Sort of. It's far too simple to just blame the Irish for that one and obviously the foreign workers can't be held responsible for having jobs either.

The supply and demand point was that, as long as migrant workers were building more houses than they were occupying, economics says they can't logically be identified as the cause of inflating house prices. And, indeed, they weren't and aren't the cause. Other parties are.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

It'd be like blaming slaves in the US if there had been an increase in the cost of material for clothes.