Are we all fucked?

[Ollkiller]

Fog of War boyz.

7000 seems very high to me.

Ukranians say 12000 but United States said 7000. Most sources are saying between 6 and 8 thousand dead Russians.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

How did she have this on the 13th, a lucky guess? Something off with it but I have no idea what.

If (genuine "if") the narrative she claimed knowledge of on the 13th was indeed part of prepared justification for a later attack (a tactic that has already been used by Russia in this conflict with respect to the maternity hospital they claimed Azov had taken over), then in that case it wasn't her guessing at all, just her relaying propaganda to the English speaking world which was already spreading far and wide throughout Russia in Russian rather than English.

[astfgyl]

So do you reckon the Russians got this out there, then shelled the theatre, knowing it was full of women and children? Why would they plan in advance to hit that target to the extent that they got the story in early? Not having it as simple as that sounds either btw. Maybe the Russians wanted something else there and were prepared to cause the collateral damage to get it? Again it doesn't matter, we'll never know. Everyone finds it easier to believe all of this of the Russians than the Ukrainians anyway for whatever reason, which shows the sterling job our own propaganda outlets are doing. I'm going to hold that tweet as an example of how we all haven't a clue who did what, despite the media on both sides claiming it's the other, and of the massive role that social media is playing in setting the narrative. It's fucked is what it is, some of it's true, some lies, some misrepresented, but all fucked.

I don't believe either side in most of this. They're all up to no good all the time anyway. Russians, Ukrainians, yanks, Brits, even the fuckin Irish are full of it. Ah well

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

As Kev says, fog of war.

I don't really know much about Ukraine's precedents, but Russia's history with confusionism is very well documented, some (Adam Curtis among them) have put forward the idea that the Kremlin employed a tactic of making sure no one ever had any clue what the fuck was actually going on for years. I've read pieces accusing the Washington elite of the same.

It is pretty interesting watching narratives weave in real time in the present moment, and for those of even a slightly critical bent really highlights the level of uncertainty that surely underpins the majority of broad historical narratives we've all basically internalized.

[Caomhaoin]

Conservative commentators saying that the cross on Zelensky's fatigues is some kind of neo Nazi symbol...would ye ever fuckin' lie down boys.

The concept of this skullduggery is interesting in retrospect but living through the reams of utter bullshit from both camps in wartime is maddening. And what Biden was thinking calling Putin a war criminal when he's in negotiations...It's time for that man to be put to bed with a nice cup of milky tea.

[astfgyl]

Aye fog of war is a good description. I'm with most others in that I have a natural tendency to view the Russians as sneaky so I can see why do many will buy it all.

As for biden? An unbelievable gimp but he was always going to be on a hiding to nothing the way the whole US was divided along trump lines. Not to say he's doing well or anything either but no matter who got in was going to have severe problems. As you say a nice cup of tea or whatever they give in the Swiss clinics

[Caomhaoin]

He's half gone down the road already, you can't really blame him too much but that other incompetent Harris...What is she for? Totally embarrassing, giggling like a fool and talking complete gibberish whenever she's on the international stage. Picking someone because and for no other obvious reason other that she's a woman and not particularly pasty was foolish, and I'm not saying that as a provocation to anyone posting here.

McNamara, Kissinger, Holbrooke, Rice, say what you want about them and other senior US diplomats, but at least they know their arses from their earholes.

[Giggles]

We're not all fucked - we're all in this together 

Just a little bit of war for 2 weeks.

I don't look at the news any more, but that Putin seems like an awfully bad lad. Wouldn't it be great if all our governments banded together against him, and then he'd fuck off and we would realise how much better life is for all of us, when our governments work together!
Maybe we could encourage them all to merge together into a single government and spy on us all the time just to make sure this doesn't happen again!

Happy Paddy's day lads! No drinks for me cos I've no money left after the rising costs of electricity and diesel. But that's ok because soon I'll own nothing and I'll be happy 

[astfgyl]

We're not all fucked - we're all in this together 

Just a little bit of war for 2 weeks.

I don't look at the news any more, but that Putin seems like an awfully bad lad. Wouldn't it be great if all our governments banded together against him, and then he'd fuck off and we would realise how much better life is for all of us, when our governments work together!
Maybe we could encourage them all to merge together into a single government and spy on us all the time just to make sure this doesn't happen again!

Happy Paddy's day lads! No drinks for me cos I've no money left after the rising costs of electricity and diesel. But that's ok because soon I'll own nothing and I'll be happy 

That had occurred to me too. Yeah Russia have definitely invaded Ukraine but there's something off about the response to me. Zelensky appearing by video link to foreign governments is fucked in ways I can't really explain only to say I know they are all rotten to the core together. All of them without exception and by chance or design this will b be used to usher in things that wouldn't be otherwise ushered in. It's why I won't follow all the details, because I learned my lesson over what's coming during covid and long past believing the media at all because they are lying scum pieces of shit.

That isn't to contradict anything I've said, I still don't know which parts of any of this are real or propaganda or random or designed to fulfill an already set agenda. It's that fucked now at this stage and I'm glad you've put in words something I couldn't quite

[astfgyl]

https://m.independent.ie/regionals/wexford/news/ukrainian-family-in-desperate-need-of-accommodation-41450651.html

I think all of the foreign nationals entering the country should get an article of their own.

They should, shouldn't they??

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

The piece is from the Gorey Guardian, relayed in the Wexford section of the online version of the Indo. It's probably the most interesting thing that's happened in Gorey for a good while!

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Arnie:
https://twitter.com/Schwarzenegger/status/1504426844199669762

[astfgyl]

The piece is from the Gorey Guardian, relayed in the Wexford section of the online version of the Indo. It's probably the most interesting thing that's happened in Gorey for a good while!

Ah yeah I get it's local shite it's just funny having a full article like that and I'm wondering why yer man won't put em up. I'd love to see a similar one but it's for a couple of Iraqis or Syrian blokes. Y'know, "I know the lads they're sound" type of sell

Edit: watched Arnie there. Eloquent enough. I think him and Zelensky should do something like Red Heat 2, or Twins 2.

[astfgyl]

Oh St Patrick, he drove out the snakes with his prayers but that's not all it takes.
For the snake symbolises an evil that arises and hides in your heart as it breaks.
And the evil has risen my friends, from the darkness that lives in some men.
But in sorrow and fear, that's when saints appear to drive out those old snakes again.
And they struggle for us to be free from the psycho in this human family.
Ireland's sorrow and pain is now the Ukraine and St Patrick's name is Zelensky.

Written by bono and read by Nancy pelosi. 



Bono you absolute cunt. Where's my Russian flag, I need to hang it from my window. Anything the celebrities are behind, I'm against. It's a policy that has served me well so far. Read that poem a few times, let it sink in. Fuck it just have the last line again.

Ireland's sorrow and pain is now the Ukraine and St Patrick's name is Zelensky.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Someone pointed out that this abysmal "poem" can be read as an extended "There was a young man from Nantucket" style Limerick