Are we all fucked?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Chemical spill was reported about as widely as one would expect in mainstream US outlets.

Today, another Guardian investigation dropped, another Cambridge Analytica-esque story involving interference in up to 33 elections worldwide. See how quickly most people stopped caring about Cambridge Analytica, the Panama papers, etc., etc.? It'd seriously take a lot more than some chemicals and a list of rich replaceables for the government to sit up and decide it needs to orchestrate something more elaborate than the non-stop distraction the majority of us consume through our phones and TVs every day.

[astfgyl]

Yeah I don't think the balloons and the chemical spill are related and as you say, would that spill be really reported on over here anyway unless it was something spectacularly bad. Cambridge Analytica or their like are surely going as strong as ever anyway, but that's a given in this age I guess and surely for far more than elections.

Have to say I'd like to see Epstein's list all the same, just to see a few lads squirming over it

[mickO)))]

Yeah I don't think the balloons and the chemical spill are related and as you say, would that spill be really reported on over here anyway unless it was something spectacularly bad. Cambridge Analytica or their like are surely going as strong as ever anyway, but that's a given in this age I guess and surely for far more than elections.

Have to say I'd like to see Epstein's list all the same, just to see a few lads squirming over it

Considering the amount of coverage someone like Andrew Tate got a person whom most people had never even heard of 2 months ago you would hope that a list of very famous people a lot of whom have big influence over our everyday lives who flew regularly to a place the locals on neighbouring islands affectionately referred to as "Paedophile Island" gets the same treatment or even more coverage but it will probably get about as much airtime as the Maxwell case got. If this story is reported on properly a lot of people would be very interested in it. 

[astfgyl]

Still want to know how Maxwell was convicted of trafficking people to no-one but then maybe that's not as unusual as I think it is.

I also think it's unlikely any of the big names will feel the pinch of any published list and will just say they didn't really know him anyway. Epstein seems so well connected that anyone could be on that list but also any of them will have plausible deniability when faced with it.

Edit: in any case, I still think it'd be terrible to have ones name associated with a paedophile Island, even if only went once and didn't know. Seems like the sort of thing that'd follow someone around so I'd be thinking even the innocent wouldn't like that list to get out. Then again it could be like Prince Andrew, where everyone knows but nothing ever comes of it so maybe I'm exaggerating any potential worry that lads might be having

[astfgyl]

Who's winning the war in Ukraine? How does anyone see that panning out?

Asking here because a year later and the hardest possible propaganda from both sides, I have no idea which side is winning and I'm wondering how or where it'll end

[astfgyl]

Yeah I don't think the balloons and the chemical spill are related and as you say, would that spill be really reported on over here anyway unless it was something spectacularly bad. Cambridge Analytica or their like are surely going as strong as ever anyway, but that's a given in this age I guess and surely for far more than elections.

Have to say I'd like to see Epstein's list all the same, just to see a few lads squirming over it

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/2023/02/09/did-train-wrecks-spill-hazardous-chemicals-near-your-home-look-data/11197948002/

Bit of context there to how often things like that happen and how many we never heard of

[Ollkiller]

Who's winning the war in Ukraine? How does anyone see that panning out?

Asking here because a year later and the hardest possible propaganda from both sides, I have no idea which side is winning and I'm wondering how or where it'll end

Stalemate atm really. Both getting organised for a push in about a months time when the ground starts thawing out. If Ukraine gets all the tanks its promised they might get gains. Seems to me the west is supplying just enough weapons for it to be a 50/50 battle. Which is what they want. Continuous depletion of Russian armory and soldiers.

[astfgyl]

Who's winning the war in Ukraine? How does anyone see that panning out?

Asking here because a year later and the hardest possible propaganda from both sides, I have no idea which side is winning and I'm wondering how or where it'll end

Stalemate atm really. Both getting organised for a push in about a months time when the ground starts thawing out. If Ukraine gets all the tanks its promised they might get gains. Seems to me the west is supplying just enough weapons for it to be a 50/50 battle. Which is what they want. Continuous depletion of Russian armory and soldiers.

Yeah it does at times look like an exercise in slowly wearing down the Russians rather than full on offensives. On the plus side it's plenty of coin for the weapons manufacturers at the same time. Hard to trust too many of the numbers quoted from either side as to how weakened the Russians are getting, or indeed the Ukrainians. I'd certainly have my doubts as to how long Russia can keep throwing men at it anyway. A year's war must have serious consequences for their manpower

[astfgyl]

Lol I went looking around at the Epstein story on Twitter and someone has published a list with Callum Hudson Odoi on it     

[The Butcher]

Who's winning the war in Ukraine? How does anyone see that panning out?

Asking here because a year later and the hardest possible propaganda from both sides, I have no idea which side is winning and I'm wondering how or where it'll end

The easy answer is no one *wins* this war. The next few months will probably show which way it pans out as Ukraine newly trained units come online and the 2nd Russian mobilisation comes into play in the next month. Russia seem intent on carving out a big scoop of their key demographics when they were already in decline in terms of upcoming generations.

[astfgyl]

Yes the whole thing seems really poorly thought out from the Russians, despite the stories of US and NATO provocations by setting up so near to Russian border. Even if the reasons are something to do with that, it still looks like folly and a waste of men. They say it's peacekeeping in Donbass and whatnot but what did they expect would happen when they invaded?

[Ollkiller]

Yes the whole thing seems really poorly thought out from the Russians, despite the stories of US and NATO provocations by setting up so near to Russian border. Even if the reasons are something to do with that, it still looks like folly and a waste of men. They say it's peacekeeping in Donbass and whatnot but what did they expect would happen when they invaded?

They're weaponary arsenal ain't what it should be due to the corruption creaming money off the top the last 20 years. As regards the war they are using the russian tried and tested method of throwing more men at it. Also peacekeeping me hole. Just another land grab to keep the home focus on the war and not internal issues.

[astfgyl]

Yeah I don't buy the peacekeeping line at all either. Seems like folly now, the whole thing from their perspective. I'd like to see how it's being spun in Russia

[Ollkiller]

Yeah I don't buy the peacekeeping line at all either. Seems like folly now, the whole thing from their perspective. I'd like to see how it's being spun in Russia

Ethnic Russians being treated like shit. Forcing the Ukrainian language on them. The west is to  blame. Usual nonsense. Ukraine bad. Russia good. And you cant say anything against that. Like the journalist who was jailed today for 6 years for sharing a social media post about the Maripol russian missile strike. Link https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.eu/article/russia-ukraine-anti-war-journalist-maria-ponomarenko-sentence-6-year-jail/amp/

[Caomhaoin]

The West, NATO specifically, contributed to the conflagration, there's no doubt about that.

Like anything else, the two narratives are biased beyond belief and the truth of the matter is to be found among elements of both.