Are we all fucked?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

As I said, the plan may not work. But aside from that, calling it "communism" or a "lockdown" is pure propaganda, and absolutely on a par with the joke you ironically made yourself about the "communists" calling everyone who disagrees with them "nazis." No shortage of childlike minds in the world, regardless of political stance.

[Eoin McLove]

Sure look it. Half-mast wank in honour of Kirsty. Have to keep an eye on the bigger picture.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Jizz long and prosper.

[Caomhaoin]

There is too much being made of that Oxford thing, but it's highly inconvenient for lads who need to drive to work every morning. I can speak from experience as I've been fined a few times for inadvertently straying into FORBIDDEN ZONE in a diesel car. Said zone is not signposted, you have to just know. It's an infringement on freedom, yes, but it's hardly Havana 1959.

Andy hit the nail on the head though, you'll never get lads out of cars in numbers anywhere near significant, never.

[Trev]

There is too much being made of that Oxford thing, but it's highly inconvenient for lads who need to drive to work every morning. I can speak from experience as I've been fined a few times for inadvertently straying into FORBIDDEN ZONE in a diesel car. Said zone is not signposted, you have to just know. It's an infringement on freedom, yes, but it's hardly Havana 1959.

Andy hit the nail on the head though, you'll never get lads out of cars in numbers anywhere near significant, never.

Yeah, in Dublin at least until there's something resembling a proper public transport it's never going to work. I went into town with the family yesterday, €9.90 for three hours parking or €10.60 for the bus in and out

[astfgyl]

Didn't attempts in London to curb car use through charging people to drive into the city and closing loads of lanes to traffic result in more pollution a few years ago? Punitive measures don't work. Trying to force people to walk, cycle or use public transport doesn't work. People want to drive, it's as simple as that, so they need to think about other strategies. It seems that most of the pollution, as in the vast majority of it, is coming from developing countries and not the developed ones so they are using useless strategies in the wrong places. That said, I'm all for reducing pollution where possible but I think that innovative approaches to planting trees in built up areas or along roads and highways would be more effective. More electric cars too with more charge points and tax breaks for people who want to buy them. Building or upgrading nuclear power stations while investing into more R&D for renewable energy to get it up to scratch. Make it something attractive to people's lifestyles, something they want rather than spanking them for doing what they have always done. Give them new, more desirable options. People want to go green in general, but they also want to live.

Yes. Too sensible to happen yet though, I reckon it'll be a few more years before the revolution

[astfgyl]

The train derailing and subsequent burning of chemicals in Ohio looks pretty bad.

I say looks because I've only seen a few dramatic pictures of it.

[astfgyl]

Oh yeah how did I forget to mention the UFO balloons!? Well we're all fucked now the invasion is on

[Hellyeah]

Yeah read that the ufo balloons. Like wtf.

[Ollkiller]

Didn't attempts in London to curb car use through charging people to drive into the city and closing loads of lanes to traffic result in more pollution a few years ago? Punitive measures don't work. Trying to force people to walk, cycle or use public transport doesn't work. People want to drive, it's as simple as that, so they need to think about other strategies. It seems that most of the pollution, as in the vast majority of it, is coming from developing countries and not the developed ones so they are using useless strategies in the wrong places. That said, I'm all for reducing pollution where possible but I think that innovative approaches to planting trees in built up areas or along roads and highways would be more effective. More electric cars too with more charge points and tax breaks for people who want to buy them. Building or upgrading nuclear power stations while investing into more R&D for renewable energy to get it up to scratch. Make it something attractive to people's lifestyles, something they want rather than spanking them for doing what they have always done. Give them new, more desirable options. People want to go green in general, but they also want to live.

All good points. All the knowledge to live in a green society is there. The problem is lack of real buy in from governments. They'll piecemeal the shit out of it without investing what's really needed to sort the issue.

Take your point about cars. Of course people want to drive. In cities ok service but jammed and no proper security. Outside cities abysmal service. So invest a good few billion on drivers, buses and routes. Connectivity for all the country and sufficient number of buses in cities to avoid overcrowding. Then its 10 to 15 euro a month for unlimited travel.

I like my car but if the bus was good and that cheap I'll take the bus. It'll never fucking happen though. Because governments are years behind on green issues. 

[The Butcher]

Oh yeah how did I forget to mention the UFO balloons!? Well we're all fucked now the invasion is on

Strange the UFO balloons only seem interested in Americans...

I guess it's a good way of having an enemy shoot million dollar missiles at 150 dollar objects 🤣

[mickO)))]

Oh yeah how did I forget to mention the UFO balloons!? Well we're all fucked now the invasion is on

We need something to distract us from the Epstein list that is about to be released. The UFO stuff is just this years Johnny Depp trial.

[nukeabuse]

More like to distract from that chemical spill in Ohio that hasn't been mentioned anywhere

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

they don't need distractions. the majority of people (i.e. literally the majority of the electorate) just don't really care about who was pals with Epstein or about chemical spills in places they don't live. do they create distractions anyway? maybe. but they don't need to, not to distract from things people feel as wholly disconnected from their own lives.

[astfgyl]

Is the Epstein list actually going to be released? That chemical spill seems like it should be bigger news than it is but I've only seen anything of it on Twitter so pinch of salt as usual. Think another one derailed today actually.

The UFO balloons thing seems to have died down already too