Quote from: Pagan Saviour on February 24, 2026, 04:10:36 PMFirst two Weezer are tops too!

I couldn't warm to Pinkerton but I'd struggle to find a bad moment on the debut.

Edit: Buddy Holly, perhaps.

Green Day are appalling, as are all of their pop 'punk' ilk. Always found Weezer to be very overrated but they definitely have their moments. Like Emphyrio, I couldn't get into Pinkerton but albums 1 and 3 have sone great tracks.

Pinkerton is a tough listen, it's not a fun record like the first and third, took a while for me to appreciate it fully

Yeah never liked Green Day.

There's a sprinkling of decent songs across the first three FF records, maybe enough to pull a decent album.

Similar boat with ye for Weezer - debut is tops, bounced off Pinkerton.

Have great nostalgia for Green Day, particularly Dookie and Insomniac (lovely bass tone on the latter). Just good, bouncy pop music, and great drumming too. Pity they went all U2 self-serious with American Idiot.

#35 February 24, 2026, 05:43:32 PM Last Edit: February 24, 2026, 05:47:52 PM by Pentagrimes
Pinkerton shits on the rest of the Weezer discography from quite a height. Blue album is cool but Pinkerton is their masterpiece. Rawer, better songs, ballsier.

I'd be reaching for the Posies' "Frosting on the beater",  Wool's "Box Set (Pete Stahl from Goatsnake's finest hour in a considerable discography to my ears). Tripping Daisy or the first Veruca Salt album when the ould 90s MTV alt rock need kicks in nowadays though. Which it does surprisingly often.

Honestly, there were far better and far more sophisticated Pop Punk bands than Green Day. All you really need in that genre are the Descendents.

Quote from: Pentagrimes on February 24, 2026, 05:43:32 PMPinkerton shits on the rest of the Weezer discography from quite a height. Blue album is cool but Pinkerton is their masterpiece. Rawer, better songs, ballsier.

I'd be reaching for the Posies' "Frosting on the beater",  Wool's "Box Set (Pete Stahl from Goatsnake's finest hour in a considerable discography to my ears). Tripping Daisy or the first Veruca Salt album when the ould 90s MTV alt rock need kicks in nowadays though. Which it does surprisingly often.

Honestly, there were far better and far more sophisticated Pop Punk bands than Green Day. All you really need in that genre are the Descendents.

It wouldn't fall in to pop punk but Copper Blue by Sugar is a forgotten 90s classic.Some great riffs and melodies.Tends to get overlooked in the Bob Mould cannon in comparison to Hisker Du.

given it just got reissued and they're playing here soon it may get a rediscovery hopefully

I only referenced GD trying to find contemporaneous "pop-rock" bands (i.e. pop-ular) against which to measure the Foo Fighters' debut. Dookie and Weezer's blue album both came out year before it, both consisting of massively MTV-pushed pop-rock music (read: distorted guitar, not arsed distinguishing pop-punk and pop-rock...they were all more pop than anything else) that I wasn't into and never listened to by choice. It was to my surprise, since I loved Nirvana, that "Dave Grohl's new band!" ended up being closer to GD and Weezer than they were to anything I wanted to hear. And weren't even better at it, as far as I could hear. Even the barrel-scraping candy stuff: like, Buddy Holly over Big Me, any day, no doubt about it  :laugh:

Quote from: Pentagrimes on February 24, 2026, 05:43:32 PMAll you really need in that genre are the Descendents.

Coffee Mug is probably the only pop punk song I like (it's not all that poppy TBF):


Quote from: HeartWorm on February 24, 2026, 06:22:18 PM
Quote from: Pentagrimes on February 24, 2026, 05:43:32 PMPinkerton shits on the rest of the Weezer discography from quite a height. Blue album is cool but Pinkerton is their masterpiece. Rawer, better songs, ballsier.

I'd be reaching for the Posies' "Frosting on the beater",  Wool's "Box Set (Pete Stahl from Goatsnake's finest hour in a considerable discography to my ears). Tripping Daisy or the first Veruca Salt album when the ould 90s MTV alt rock need kicks in nowadays though. Which it does surprisingly often.

Honestly, there were far better and far more sophisticated Pop Punk bands than Green Day. All you really need in that genre are the Descendents.

It wouldn't fall in to pop punk but Copper Blue by Sugar is a forgotten 90s classic.Some great riffs and melodies.Tends to get overlooked in the Bob Mould cannon in comparison to Hisker Du.

Another shout out here for Copper Blue...the first time I heard it was about 10 years ago, can't really remember why it entered my "listening sphere" (prob on the back of some glowing retrospective review) but it's absolutely class and the sheer amount of bona fide earworms are staggering. Funnily enough, I've never been tempted to revisit anything I heard by Husker Du but maybe
that's my loss.
As for the Foo Fighters debut, similar to BSC i was huge into Nirvana at the time and it definitely leaned more into the pop side of things than I had wanted or anticipated. Anything I've heard from them since is as bland and inoffensive as, say, the likes of Coldplay or Imagine Dragons, but that shit sells well and i can certainly appreciate that the announcement of a small, intimate gig was a huge thing for the fans. Whatever about the Ambassador, its still kind of cool to think of a band with that profile playing a gig to maybe 80 or so people in a small church in Kerry. Grohl is a bit of an enigma to me, I do think he has a genuine interest in heavy music and he seems like a decent lad, it's just a shame his day job is peddling such beige music.

First Foos album is brilliant. Everything else is just a downward spiral. As for Weezer Pinkerton is class but the Blue album is their masterpiece. It is flawless. If only they could have kept some quality control on later albums as theyre fucking awful.


My favourite Grunge band was Gruntruck. So FF meant absolutely nothing to me back then, and now.
It's grand to hear a tune of theirs once a year on a radio station in the background somewhere.

Quote from: John Kimble on February 24, 2026, 07:00:01 PM
Quote from: HeartWorm on February 24, 2026, 06:22:18 PM
Quote from: Pentagrimes on February 24, 2026, 05:43:32 PMPinkerton shits on the rest of the Weezer discography from quite a height. Blue album is cool but Pinkerton is their masterpiece. Rawer, better songs, ballsier.

I'd be reaching for the Posies' "Frosting on the beater",  Wool's "Box Set (Pete Stahl from Goatsnake's finest hour in a considerable discography to my ears). Tripping Daisy or the first Veruca Salt album when the ould 90s MTV alt rock need kicks in nowadays though. Which it does surprisingly often.

Honestly, there were far better and far more sophisticated Pop Punk bands than Green Day. All you really need in that genre are the Descendents.

It wouldn't fall in to pop punk but Copper Blue by Sugar is a forgotten 90s classic.Some great riffs and melodies.Tends to get overlooked in the Bob Mould cannon in comparison to Hisker Du.

Another shout out here for Copper Blue...the first time I heard it was about 10 years ago, can't really remember why it entered my "listening sphere" (prob on the back of some glowing retrospective review) but it's absolutely class and the sheer amount of bona fide earworms are staggering. Funnily enough, I've never been tempted to revisit anything I heard by Husker Du but maybe
that's my loss.
As for the Foo Fighters debut, similar to BSC i was huge into Nirvana at the time and it definitely leaned more into the pop side of things than I had wanted or anticipated. Anything I've heard from them since is as bland and inoffensive as, say, the likes of Coldplay or Imagine Dragons, but that shit sells well and i can certainly appreciate that the announcement of a small, intimate gig was a huge thing for the fans. Whatever about the Ambassador, its still kind of cool to think of a band with that profile playing a gig to maybe 80 or so people in a small church in Kerry. Grohl is a bit of an enigma to me, I do think he has a genuine interest in heavy music and he seems like a decent lad, it's just a shame his day job is peddling such beige music.

If you like Copper Blue then check out Beaster. It's a mini album but has some serious heavy riffs on "JC Auto" and "Judas Cradle".I personally prefer Sugar to Husker Du.