Another vote for Introduce Yourself. Don't like anything after Angel Dust bar a track or two. I think letting Patton off the leash ruined the band.

Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 20, 2025, 11:39:00 AMStripsearch, Helpless, Ashes to Ashes, all up in the echelons of the best songs FNM ever wrote and recorded.

Yup, I'd add Last Cup of Sorrow too.

I really liked Sol Invictus when it came out, but thinking about it I don't think I've listened to it since, probably just enjoyed the fact that it was new FNM more than the album itself

KFAD is always by go to

Listened to AOTY this morning again. For people who dropped off after Jim Martin's departure, fair enough. But if you like KFAD but not AOTY then... I don't understand how your ears work  :laugh:

Ah no come on. Two vastly different records. KFAD is much further reaching - And Trey Spruance's guitar work is much more versatile. I do like Jon Hudson but it's on the Textbook side. Ashes to Ashes is glorious for example but Last Cup of Sorrow deadly dull, never rated that track.

As good as some of the stuff is on AOTY there was for the first time a feeling the band had checked out. Some will argue that KFAD is bloated - I personally don't, I'd agree it's not without flaws but there's great energy on it, whereas AOTY plods here and there.

See I'd say the opposite about KFAD, it sounds incredibly flat to me, dead and lifeless. As though it was stitched together on a computer out of disparate bits and bobs. AOTY sounds more raw and live to me.

Quote from: Pagan Saviour on October 20, 2025, 03:31:12 PMAh no come on. Two vastly different records. KFAD is much further reaching - And Trey Spruance's guitar work is much more versatile. I do like Jon Hudson but it's on the Textbook side. Ashes to Ashes is glorious for example but Last Cup of Sorrow deadly dull, never rated that track.

As good as some of the stuff is on AOTY there was for the first time a feeling the band had checked out. Some will argue that KFAD is bloated - I personally don't, I'd agree it's not without flaws but there's great energy on it, whereas AOTY plods here and there.

"Vastly" is doing a lot of work there. I'm obviously not saying they're the same... I just don't really get what about AOTY a fan of KFAD would dislike. To my ears, everything on AOTY flows logically from one or other of the previous phases of FNM. I was genuinely surprised when I started hearing it was panned by lots of folk. Ah sure, different strokes: all the more FNM for me to enjoy!  :laugh:

That unhinged quality you got on Jizzlobber is still prevalent on King For A Day, Cuckoo for Caca, Ugly in the Morning etc, the diversions into Lounge Jazz, it's all over the place the way you'd want it. AOTY is the PG version, too many safe tracks. Look we'll  scrap all day

The correct ranking is  ;)

Angel Dust 10/10
The Real Thing 9/10
King for a Day 8/10
Introduce yourself 7.5/10
Album of the year 7/10
We care a lot 6/10
Sol Invictus 3/10

The Real Thing
Angel Dust
Album Of The Year
King For A Day
We Care A Lot
Sol Invictus - it's just a mish mash of half baked ideas.

Quote from: Pagan Saviour on October 20, 2025, 04:54:00 PMThe correct ranking is  ;)

Angel Dust 9/10
The Real Thing 9/10
Album Of The Year 7/10
King For A Day 5/10

Sol Invictus 3/10
Introduce Yourself 2/10
We Care A Lot 1/10

Fixed that for you.  ;)


Some mad rankings there. Introduce yourself 2/10 - stick that in the controversial opinions pile

#27 October 20, 2025, 05:44:49 PM Last Edit: October 21, 2025, 04:36:39 PM by Carnage
It's the Baloff Effect - Mosley's appalling wailing make both of those albums unlistenable. TBH I thought I was being generous giving IY 2/10, it only got that because WCAL is even worse.

Hes fine really on revisiting,  the songs are excellent,  I never really bothered with Chuck era til after the split bar the Patton versions of the Crab song , as the worm turns etc bit so much good stuff

Introduce Yourself was the first FNM record I got so always liked Chuck. Thought Patton was sound in that he never had any issue doing any of that stuff. Didn't they do a couple of sets with Mosley before he died? There's photos of him and Patton backstage