Death by metal ,Chuck/Death doc

Juggz · February 01, 2019, 08:02:27 PM

The pivotal moment was largely overlooked, in terms of musical progression. The bonus tracks on the Relapse reissue of Human included a couple of demos with Butler and Andrews and are very much the missing link. They're Human songs but played in the Leprosy/Spiritual style and it makes it abundantly clear that the real progression came from Reinert, Masvidal and DiGiorgio. Chuck's songwriting changed after Human, but the songs on Human are very definitely basic and in the vein of the early material. What those three added to the songs is revelatory and Death changed after that. Highlighting that takes the shine off Chuck a little, so it's not entirely surprising they left it out. He followed their lead, fantastically, it must be said, but I'd argue that much of the greatness of the subsequent music was finding great musicians who added more than is obvious.

Black Shepherd Carnage · February 02, 2019, 01:11:03 PM

Hmm, maybe I was adding my own narrative, but I thought them talking about Reinert and Masvidal's "jazz" influence was there.

Juggz · February 02, 2019, 07:35:44 PM

There's influence and then there's dominance and, in the case of the mighty Human, it isthe non-Death guys who made this album what it is and, by doing so, changed the direction of Chuck's writing for the rest of his life.

livingabortion · February 04, 2019, 01:39:59 AM

I'm looking forward to this.

Here's something for the meantime though:

https://youtu.be/Q52yJ4zVB3s

Black Shepherd Carnage · February 04, 2019, 10:37:25 AM

Quote from: Juggz on February 02, 2019, 07:35:44 PM
There's influence and then there's dominance and, in the case of the mighty Human, it isthe non-Death guys who made this album what it is and, by doing so, changed the direction of Chuck's writing for the rest of his life.

Yes, but he was able to assimilate that influence and turn it into something of his own on the later albums. Everyone learns things from somewhere; Masvidal and Reinert had their influences, did their thing with it, and in turn influenced (strongly influenced, sure) Chuck. Had their input been "dominant", that would imply that Chuck would be incapable of taking that influence and building on it, yet that's exactly what happened.

Ducky · February 04, 2019, 01:12:58 PM

Quote from: Juggz on February 01, 2019, 08:02:27 PM
The pivotal moment was largely overlooked, in terms of musical progression. The bonus tracks on the Relapse reissue of Human included a couple of demos with Butler and Andrews and are very much the missing link. They're Human songs but played in the Leprosy/Spiritual style and it makes it abundantly clear that the real progression came from Reinert, Masvidal and DiGiorgio. Chuck's songwriting changed after Human, but the songs on Human are very definitely basic and in the vein of the early material. What those three added to the songs is revelatory and Death changed after that. Highlighting that takes the shine off Chuck a little, so it's not entirely surprising they left it out. He followed their lead, fantastically, it must be said, but I'd argue that much of the greatness of the subsequent music was finding great musicians who added more than is obvious.

Are these the demos that are actually on the pimped out edition of Spiritual Healing?

Juggz · February 05, 2019, 08:50:46 AM

No, the third CD of the reissue of Human put out by Relapse - See Through Dreams, Together As One and Suicide Machine played by Chuck, Bill and Terry. Structurally, the songs are the same as they are on the album and it highlights how basic the songs really are while, at the same time, highlighting the effect of the performances on the album itself in changing the perception of the songs.

Pentagrimes · February 05, 2019, 09:31:24 AM

Quote from: Juggz on February 05, 2019, 08:50:46 AM
No, the third CD of the reissue of Human put out by Relapse - See Through Dreams, Together As One and Suicide Machine played by Chuck, Bill and Terry. Structurally, the songs are the same as they are on the album and it highlights how basic the songs really are while, at the same time, highlighting the effect of the performances on the album itself in changing the perception of the songs.

Yeah, listened to these for the first time after your initial post and the difference in performances is shocking.

Hank Hill · February 11, 2019, 07:02:58 AM

Loved it!!! Are there any other good documentaries on the 90s death metal scene?

https://youtu.be/aGPot3rP53o

Eoin McLove · February 11, 2019, 05:22:09 PM

Stuck on that CC documentary thinking I'd last an hour. Watched the whole thing. I really enjoyed hearing about the early Buffalo scene.

Bürggermeister · November 30, 2023, 08:31:58 PM

Been listening to these interviews with many of the key figures over the years, quality stuff, culled from a podcast called Into The Combine, I think. Well worth a listen if you want to get a bit of the background to a lot of Chuck/Death evolution. Fair play to the lad for getting these dudes to talk about it.