The Tube.

[Carnage]

Agreed, second season pissed on the first. I'm hoping for a Pike-centric spin off. With added Number One.

[Pentagrimes]

WAtched the first two eps of the new  "It's Always Sunny". One Good, one meh.


Really enjoyed the first episode of "Creepshow".

[Eoin McLove]

Anyone see Panorama last night? They went undercover with a couple of pick up artists in Glasgow and London.  Very sinister stuff. These guys charge £80 per hour to train men in aggressive pick up tactics where,  it seems,  the border between consent and rape is seriously blurry. They train men to basically not take no for an answer.  Everything about it was skin crawling, from urging them to chat up teenage girls (these are men in their late twenties to late thirties) and to decide for themselves where to draw the line.  There is a concept they were pushing called escalation. If a woman touches your cock it's game on regardless of of she wants to go further or not.  If they say they don't want to,  the advice was to agree with them while still escalating the situation to all out sex.  They seem to believe they are promoting self- confidence to men but it was incredibly fucking rapey behaviour. 

[Paul keohane]

City on a hill,is this worth watching?

[Eoin McLove]

I must have struck a nerve you bunch of rapists 

[ldj]

I must have struck a nerve you bunch of rapists 

It's the implication...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yUafzOXHPE

[Carnage]

City on a hill,is this worth watching?

Yep. I'm 8 episodes in and it's pretty solid.

[Pedrito]

Anyone see Panorama last night? They went undercover with a couple of pick up artists in Glasgow and London.  Very sinister stuff. These guys charge £80 per hour to train men in aggressive pick up tactics where,  it seems,  the border between consent and rape is seriously blurry. They train men to basically not take no for an answer.  Everything about it was skin crawling, from urging them to chat up teenage girls (these are men in their late twenties to late thirties) and to decide for themselves where to draw the line.  There is a concept they were pushing called escalation. If a woman touches your cock it's game on regardless of of she wants to go further or not.  If they say they don't want to,  the advice was to agree with them while still escalating the situation to all out sex.  They seem to believe they are promoting self- confidence to men but it was incredibly fucking rapey behaviour.

I went down the rabbit hole one night watching these freaks one night and it's definitely on the line and often beyond. I'm an advocate for young people getting out there and making mistakes, and being given the chance to flirt and finger and hump the legs off eachother behind discos, but that's not what these guys are at. They're basically teaching you how to be a predator, how to mindfuck someone into feeling like they 'have to' sleep with you. Now, I'm far from saying I've been an angel all my life, and I've been in those situations where I've given the girl the chat and the promises and all that shite just so she'll give me an oul 5 finger shuffle..told women that had no right ever being told their beautiful that they were like Aphrodite reborn just for an oul feel of a tit. But none of it was that creepy, pre-planned, attacking it like it's a maths problem shite, it was all off the cuff, young dumb and full of cum.

The problem that I'm seeing and hearing among younger girls is that they've bought into this idea that lads are all like that and they need to almost go along with it if they want someone special in their lives. It's a pretty sad thing to watch a girl being messed around like that, though some of them are pretty good at the mindgames themselves. Hopefully the freedom of info out there will allow these weirdos to be singled out and kept at a distance, because their actions are harmful.to say the least.

[Eoin McLove]

This is it. A bit of chancing your arm as a young lad and being creative around your long term intentions is one thing and nothing a girl's ego couldn't quickly recover from, but this is predatory behaviour.  Cold, calculated and morally/ legally dubious, to put it mildly. I think that internet dating has to have played its part in developing this culture, or at least allowing it to grow and have a certain validity in people's minds.  Dating today seems to mean nothing beyond swiping right (or is it left? I'm old, sorry...) and getting the lay.  Great if both parties are up for a casual ride but if that's your entire experience of relationships, reducing them to little more than throwaway culture, then how do you learn about respect or boundaries that will show these creepy tactics up for what they are?

[Pedrito]

I honestly think we're still only finding our way with a lot of this stuff after the repressions and all the rules in the past. Now I'm not one to go around telling people who they should sleep with or not, or how they should behave etc etc. but maybe therein lies the issue. We've gone from virgins til you get married and god forbid you're ever caught at it outside them boundaries(though from what I understand there were plenty of shenanigans going on in Catholic Ireland), to swipe left/right(dunno either) see you at your place, dick sucking, fanny eating, maybe a threeway...it all sounds great, actually it sounds amazing, but maybe it's too much of a good thing and people aren't really set up for that much freedom, as much as they might think they are.

I found Metoo to be a horrible vanity project, being pushed by some seriously broken people lke Rose McGowan, who has been passed around like an offertory basket at Sunday mass. She has experienced all the wrong sides of men, and no wonder she's bitter and twisted..it's a sad state of affairs. But maybe there wss something to it too. I don't condone witch hunts, but focusing out, and looking at it in a cold, detactched way, maybe there's a need for discussion. Maybe there's a need to be more in our kids' faces with this stuff, laying down rules and not just telling them they're amazing and they should do what they want all.the time.

A friend of mine was telling me about their daughter's 14 year old friend who was basically blackmailed by a boy at school into sexual acts. He had taken pictures up her skirt, and rather than suffer the embarassment of having those pictures be sent around the whole town by whassap, she decided it would be easier just to do what he was asking. I've heard quite a few of those stories. I was like 'I hope her father broke his legs' and my mate was just so passive about it..'yeah, it seems it happens a lot and they don't want to embarass her more or draw attention to it'. There's something wrong when that's the response I think.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

It was that book The Game kicked it all off in a big way.

[Pedrito]

Can I get a lend of it? 

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Don't have that one. I've a copy of Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus though, might be more useful to you at this stage :p

[Trev]

I'm

A friend of mine was telling me about their daughter's 14 year old friend who was basically blackmailed by a boy at school into sexual acts. He had taken pictures up her skirt, and rather than suffer the embarassment of having those pictures be sent around the whole town by whassap, she decided it would be easier just to do what he was asking. I've heard quite a few of those stories. I was like 'I hope her father broke his legs' and my mate was just so passive about it..'yeah, it seems it happens a lot and they don't want to embarass her more or draw attention to it'. There's something wrong when that's the response I think.

Ive heard a few stories of similar stuff, it's pretty mental. On one hand theres things like the metoo movement, but then on the flipside there's nearly a blasé attitude of "oh this is just what happens these days".

I've got two young girls and I'm fucking dreading when they're teenagers

[Ollkiller]

Makes the blood boil. Chat up a girl. You will know in a few minutes if there is any chemistry there. End of.

When I was young it was pretty simple. Chat a girl up. If ye get along after a while try for a kiss. If it don't work out sound try to chat up another girl.

What the fuck is wrong with these incel type fucks. It really is fucking abhorrent behaviour. And if you do see call those pricks out on it.

Back on topic. Finally got back watching the expanse. Very good sci fi.