Theories of the conspiratorial kind

[astfgyl]

Well I think people want theories to be true because it would add context to the general feeling that the world's gone mad. Half of em are true anyway if you look into them but them all being in some way connected into a grand plan just doesn't do it for me. I'd imagine it's far more compartmentalised in nature but i wouldn't be heading to youtube with it. The likes of Brand and many more are just more cynical or maybe realist and may as well make the money while it's on offer. Conspiracy docs and anti conspiracy docs are a bad as each other really like what's the real case to study other than everything is so shit and so stupid for so many that it's as easy to believe it's on purpose rather than it's the inevitable result of human nature?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

We get it, everything is as bad as everything else.

[astfgyl]

We get it, everything is as bad as everything else.

If you want to simplify it to the point of making it all seem beneath the intelligence of your own worldview, then yeah sure that must be it

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Just taking the piss out of you. You say X is as bad as Y a lot. When X is clearly not as bad. Despite Elon's best efforts. Don't mind me, evening smoke.

[astfgyl]

Just taking the piss out of you. You say X is as bad as Y a lot. When X is clearly not as bad. Despite Elon's best efforts. Don't mind me, evening smoke.

If you think I'm a musk fan of any sort then you will have badly misjudged me. I like things to be fair and decent and I'll listen to any opinion that challenges my own. So I obviously disagree with the way the wind is blowing lately but I will also disagree with whatever way it blows next because its always the same rotten outcome. I'm sick of saying I'm a traditional leftist, not whatever it's tied up in nowadays. The same real problems are still the same real problems and maybe this week it's left and maybe next week it's right but it's actually the middle that's being wiped out. Divide and conquer has never been easier but enjoy taking a position if that's what works for you

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

X... Twitter... Musk... THC 

[son of the Morrigan]

What baffles me is that the majority of people seem perfectly happy to accept the premise that governments and multinational organisations are, in theory, conspiring for the grater good, yet completely unwilling to entertain the premise that these same organisations could, in theory, be conspiring in their own interests and to the detriment of the greater good.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

"They"'re doing both those things. That's why there's an awful lot more human randomness, chaos, disruption, and consequent opportunism than conspiracy theorists tend to allow for.

[astfgyl]

"They"'re doing both those things. That's why there's an awful lot more human randomness, chaos, disruption, and consequent opportunism than conspiracy theorists tend to allow for.

You've just made the exact point I did in my last go at thinking about it there. 2 posts back, exact same point

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Ok, I'm not talking about left and right though, maybe you weren't really either. Anyway, been plenty of self-serving actions on "the left", been plenty of genuine good actions on "the right" and vice versa. 

[son of the Morrigan]

"They"'re doing both those things. That's why there's an awful lot more human randomness, chaos, disruption, and consequent opportunism than conspiracy theorists tend to allow for.

I agree with ya to a point. There's bad actors and good actors in all organisations that wield power.
This is why it's so important to keep a keen eye on the actions of these organisations, for fear the bad actors work their way into positions of influence and corrupt the organisations for their own nefarious ends.
To label the people who question the actions of organisations they fear have been corrupted as "conspiracy theorists", and in doing so poo pooing their concerns, is dangerous and plays directly into the hands of those who would do evil (not to be overly dramatic).
This is exactly why the FBI introduced the term "conspiracy theory" into the public consciousness following the assassination of JFK.
Its a dangerous fucking label and shouldn't be used at all.

[astfgyl]

Ok, I'm not talking about left and right though, maybe you weren't really either. Anyway, been plenty of self-serving actions on "the left", been plenty of genuine good actions on "the right" and vice versa. 

Ah I get you now. I wasn't going for the left/ right either. They're both wrong and both right indeed.

[Bürggermeister]

Fill yer boots

https://documentaryheaven.com/category/conspiracy/

[Bürggermeister]

Super Bowl conspiracy theories involving Taylor Swift are "nonsense", says NFL commissioner Roger Goodell.

Music superstar Swift is dating Kansas City Chiefs tight end Travis Kelce, whose team will compete in their fourth Super Bowl in five years on Sunday.

Right-wing critics say their relationship is part of a plot to rig the NFL's championship game and help get US President Joe Biden re-elected.

Does this mean the 49ers are Team Trump?

[Mower Liberation Front]

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