The Donald vs Big Tech

[ochoill]

At least trump also televised and memeified his meeting with putin, in the interest of fairness. Right?

[astfgyl]

At least trump also televised and memeified his meeting with putin, in the interest of fairness. Right?

Fairness? With that shitehawk? He's actually after surprising even me with his mock shite on this one. Like the only fair thing to do would be for Russia to withdraw entirely from all Ukrainian territories and leave un peacekeepers in there over the internal conflict that supposedly started it all but now it looks like the US and Russia are going to carve up the resources between them and leave Ukraine up shit creek altogether.

Very bad stuff altogether. I only saw it yesterday after a lad told me about it because I just fucked off twitter pretty much altogether over the politics. I generally only hear any of it on here now and just go on fb watching videos of lads catching pike for me kicks.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

You do realize that they didn't know about his history before the applause? The media storm that followed that one was one of the most retarded things I've ever seen. Glorious ammunition for people to manipulate fools.

Ah yeah but if they were fighting against the Russians in wwii there's a strong chance they'd be affiliated with the nazis. Like, given the azov thing as well, somebody should have done their homework.

Some other homework that should have been done:

Volodymyr Oleksandrovych Zelenskyy was born to Jewish parents on 25 January 1978 in Kryvyi Rih, then in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. [...] His grandfather, Semyon Zelenskyy, served as an infantryman, reaching the rank of colonel in the Red Army (in the 57th Guards Motor Rifle Division) during World War II. Semyon's father and three brothers were killed in the Holocaust. [...] his great-grandparents had been killed after German troops burned their home to the ground during a massacre. His grandmother survived World War II after leaving Kryvyi Rih in an evacuation of Jews to Almaty, Kazakhstan, and returned to Ukraine after the war.

[astfgyl]

You do realize that they didn't know about his history before the applause? The media storm that followed that one was one of the most retarded things I've ever seen. Glorious ammunition for people to manipulate fools.

Ah yeah but if they were fighting against the Russians in wwii there's a strong chance they'd be affiliated with the nazis. Like, given the azov thing as well, somebody should have done their homework.

Some other homework that should have been done:

Volodymyr Oleksandrovych Zelenskyy was born to Jewish parents on 25 January 1978 in Kryvyi Rih, then in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. [...] His grandfather, Semyon Zelenskyy, served as an infantryman, reaching the rank of colonel in the Red Army (in the 57th Guards Motor Rifle Division) during World War II. Semyon's father and three brothers were killed in the Holocaust. [...] his great-grandparents had been killed after German troops burned their home to the ground during a massacre. His grandmother survived World War II after leaving Kryvyi Rih in an evacuation of Jews to Almaty, Kazakhstan, and returned to Ukraine after the war.

What's that got to do with the old SS boy, if you don't mind me asking?

Does make me wonder how zelenskyiiyii feels about the azov brigade and how much powder he had to throw up his nose to suppress those feelings.

Of course if I was on twitter reading the same thing it would be along the lines of "see, I told you it was the jewz etc"

Failing to see your point tbh

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

The "old SS boy" fought against the Red Army. Zelensky's grandfather was in the Red Army.

[Ollkiller]

Tariff day is GO.

[Ducky]

And military aid to Ukraine is NO.

How long before he starts arming Russia?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Jon Stewart particularly astute on things this week:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeUZI5RnYGg

Makes it especially clear towards the end that Putin has been echoing MAGA talking points (or vice versa) for a long time now. Again, nothing surprising has happened yet, nothing at all. Trump somehow "both sidesed" his way into the White House, thanks in part to people thinking he was more bark than bite, and now he's biting at all the arteries he said he would. Plus some he said he wouldn't (e.g. when, during the campaign, he disavowed any connection to Project 2025 for the benefit of the gullible).

[Ollkiller]

Edit. Double post

[astfgyl]

The "old SS boy" fought against the Red Army. Zelensky's grandfather was in the Red Army.

And zelensky was still clapping for him as well. Jaysus nobody at all thought that one through. Mad how it happened.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Because he didn't know who he was. When certain outlets started spreading the "applauding a nazi!" canard, they omitted the important detail that said retired SS soldier would have thereby been a double enemy of Zelensky's own family, who were both Jewish and, at the time, in the Red Army that the old man's SS unit were fighting against. Fabricated scandal evaporated. Mad how it didn't happen that way.

[astfgyl]

Well it wasn't a fabricated scandal it was just ridiculous that nobody put the 2 and 2 together that if he was fighting the Red Army in wwii, that it might be worth looking at a bit before parading him like a hero. To me it's one of the only funny things that happened since that war broke out because all of the rest of it is just depressing and wrong.

Also for the avoidance of doubt I think Russia should just fuck right off from invading sovereign countries, and even though I think a lot of what came after was propaganda from the US and NATO, Russia and everyone else should fuck off as well unless it's peacekeepers and not surrounding the Black Sea with NATO expansion and missiles on Russias doorstep. There must have been some lobbying going on from the weapons companies that seemingly nobody wanted peace or any sort of agreement out of it all and still seemingly don't. It's mad really. People are dying in the hundreds of thousands and half the world wants to prolong that.

[Caomhaoin]

The conflict started in 2014. About 14,000 ethnic Russians killed by Ukrainian shelling caused an uprising of Russians in eastern Ukraine before the Russian army invaded. Other elements in the equation too.

I'm not excusing the behaviour of Putin either, I don't have a dog in the fight. But some of ye lads would want to look into things a little further.

As for the Trump/Vance Zelenskyy spat, it's clear not one of ye watched the entire recording. My Russian is good enough to translate what Zelenskyy said under his breath, picked up by the mics anyway.

The Russian people are desperate for peace, believe me. I had a drone filled with explosives go off before Christmas about 200 yards from my apartment. Whatever about the morality of it, the reality of the situation is probably more prescient.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Well it wasn't a fabricated scandal it was just ridiculous that nobody put the 2 and 2 together that if he was fighting the Red Army in wwii, that it might be worth looking at a bit before parading him like a hero.

That is why the person who should have done all that, who accepted the request by yer man's son to have him present and who made the live statement that yer man had fought against the Red Army in WWII, resigned afterwards. Because it was a ridiculous error to make.

And thanks Kev but we don't need your Russian or your vagueness to have seen the story about Zelenskyy having apparently whispered what native speakers say can be translated as either "bitch" or "fuck" or even an equivalent to "for fuck's sake", which given what he was reacting to in the moment (notably Vance claiming to understand the situation in Ukraine because he's "seen videos") would be fairly understandable.

[Caomhaoin]

He said two words. They're clearly audible.

Did you watch the whole video?