The Donald vs Big Tech

[Caomhaoin]

You mean Walz, the lad who got caught out bullshitting about fighting in Vietnam?

She's an awful ball of shite candidate, but she's the bookies favourite now.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

You mean Walz, the lad who got caught out bullshitting about fighting in Vietnam?

The very one. He said he'd fought in Vietnam but then wily members of the opposition pointed out that he was only 11 years old when the Vietnam War ended in 1975. Walz your way outta that one Tim!

More seriously, yeah, that Walz:
https://apnews.com/article/walz-national-guard-military-ae43d684bf1319e535f9f620552155d7

[Caomhaoin]

He said he carried a gun in a war, but it turned out that was untrue. Foolish behaviour considering there's an army of republicans minions waiting to pounce on any bullshit.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Yeah. I don't think when he said it in 2018 he was expecting to be where he is now. It's the campaign who fucked up more by putting the clip he said it in (some yoke about gun control) back into circulation.

[Caomhaoin]

Apart from insisting on defending the indefensible around the Israelis, surely Kennedy would be man if his well hadn't been poisoned by both sides.

On the other hand, the Ukraine conflict is almost certain to continue unabated under Harris. As much as I enjoy Trump, Joe Rogan has swayed me somewhat.

[astfgyl]

Again, I don't know where you get your news, but Trump, even by his own standards, has been projectile vomiting bullshit ever since Biden dropped out of the race. Side by side, Harris (who to my eyes is just a run-of-the-mill Democrat, no more no less, warts and all) very much looks like the more competent candidate. All the more so with Walz next to her compared to Vance next to Donald. And we can expect his puerile behavior to get worse if and when the polls start looking grim for him.

Ah no you're hopelessly biased

[Ollkiller]

Again, I don't know where you get your news, but Trump, even by his own standards, has been projectile vomiting bullshit ever since Biden dropped out of the race. Side by side, Harris (who to my eyes is just a run-of-the-mill Democrat, no more no less, warts and all) very much looks like the more competent candidate. All the more so with Walz next to her compared to Vance next to Donald. And we can expect his puerile behavior to get worse if and when the polls start looking grim for him.

Ah no you're hopelessly biased

I'll bite. In what way is trump better than harris. Policy wise. Or maybe human wise, as in trumps a bit of a rapist or sexual abuser. What's the bar?

[Ollkiller]

Apart from insisting on defending the indefensible around the Israelis, surely Kennedy would be man if his well hadn't been poisoned by both sides.

On the other hand, the Ukraine conflict is almost certain to continue unabated under Harris. As much as I enjoy Trump, Joe Rogan has swayed me somewhat.

As regards Ukraine. What would trump do differently. Organise a peace pact giving Ukrainian territory to Russia. Or?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I'm definitely biased against Trump: he's so objectively awful a human being that I find it difficult to be measured when judging his individual acts. But I do think Harris is objectively the stronger presidential candidate... as in, has a better chance of winning, regardless of whether she'll be a better or worse actual president. And I didn't think that when it was first floated that she was going to be the candidate.

[Ollkiller]

Also with waltz. As governor or minnesota he recorded budget surpluses and used that money tod deliver tax credits to seniors, working families and students.
He also created a paid family and medical leave program, made college tuition free for certain students, legalised marajuana ( ), invested in affordable housing and instituted clean energy measures. He raised taxes for the rich and lowered for the poor. Also brought in free breakfast and lunch meals for kids on school. And signed a 2.6 billion bill to support construction jobs in repairing bridges, roads etc.

What an awful VP candidate he is.

[Caomhaoin]

Impressive googling there Ollie. You could roll out similar 'wins' for DeSantis, Trump etc if you were on the right (for instance, I don't think raising taxes for the 'rich' is inherently a good thing). Nobody said he was a poor choice as such, but he was caught out talking shite, endy story.

As regards Ukraine, it could be argued that the principal trigger for the conflict was the continued expansion of NATO. Trump has questioned (quite rightly) why the Americans are subsidising the defence of the other members, going as far as to question the usefulness of its continued existence. He isn't beholden to state sponsored arms dealers in the same way that Biden was and Harris will be.

The fact of the matter is that his term was nowhere near as warlike as either Obama or Biden, let alone Clinton or Little Bush.

[Ollkiller]

Impressive googling there Ollie. You could roll out similar 'wins' for DeSantis, Trump etc if you were on the right (for instance, I don't think raising taxes for the 'rich' is inherently a good thing). Nobody said he was a poor choice as such, but he was caught out talking shite, endy story.

As regards Ukraine, it could be argued that the principal trigger for the conflict was the continued expansion of NATO. Trump has questioned (quite rightly) why the Americans are subsidising the defence of the other members, going as far as to question the usefulness of its continued existence. He isn't beholden to state sponsored arms dealers in the same way that Biden was and Harris will be.

The fact of the matter is that his term was nowhere near as warlike as either Obama or Biden, let alone Clinton or Little Bush.

Impressive googling there Ollie. You could roll out similar 'wins' for DeSantis, Trump etc if you were on the right (for instance, I don't think raising taxes for the 'rich' is inherently a good thing). Nobody said he was a poor choice as such, but he was caught out talking shite, endy story.

As regards Ukraine, it could be argued that the principal trigger for the conflict was the continued expansion of NATO. Trump has questioned (quite rightly) why the Americans are subsidising the defence of the other members, going as far as to question the usefulness of its continued existence. He isn't beholden to state sponsored arms dealers in the same way that Biden was and Harris will be.

The fact of the matter is that his term was nowhere near as warlike as either Obama or Biden, let alone Clinton or Little Bush.

What are the wins for Trump though when he was in office?

Now Putin could have taken a different tack to the nato expansion but he just invaded a sovereign country. With no disregard for Ukrainian lives or even the lives of his soldiers. And yes Trumps term was less warlike but Putin didn't invade on Trumps watch. What should Trump do if he gets the presidency?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

He isn't beholden to state sponsored arms dealers in the same way that Biden was and Harris will be

I thought military spending was just about the closest thing to an issue that GOP and DNC see eye to eye on..? I don't think there was any drop in military spending during his mandate. Not sure though. I'd have to google that, which is apparently a remark-worthy act in itself now!

[Caomhaoin]

I'm not saying Putin is the right, however from the Russian perspective, they were provoked passed the point of tolerance. Boris Johnson was flown in at the behest of his American overlords Blinken and Biden to put the kibosh on a peace deal very early in the conflict, promising unlimited aid, a la the Israelis. Ukrainian lives are of little import to either 'side' it seems, but that's a separate issue.

Trumps wins are going to be relative as it's clear to the meanest of intellects that you and I are at opposite ends of the political spectrum. However, he made pentagon spending more transparent, gave aid into the billions for ailing farmers, made enormous tax cuts etc. He wasn't bombing cunts left right and centre or gaslighting the gaff with sabre rattling bullshit like others. It wasn't all great but listen, the man could cure cancer and reanimate Chuck Schuldiner and you and Chris and the half of the American population who would vote for anything with a pulse over the lad wouldn't alter course.

[Caomhaoin]

He isn't beholden to state sponsored arms dealers in the same way that Biden was and Harris will be

I thought military spending was just about the closest thing to an issue that GOP and DNC see eye to eye on..? I don't think there was any drop in military spending during his mandate. Not sure though. I'd have to google that, which is apparently a remark-worthy act in itself now!

You're missing the point. The subsidising of the balance of NATO is what he is proposing to eliminate. Iceland, for example, has no army of its own, just Americans on base there.

He also questioned why American soldiers are still based all over the world, and why the expense should be borne by them. Fair point boyz.