The Donald vs Big Tech

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

https://youtu.be/orad8gIfCiY

Couple of things.

Key to what Brand is saying is we need to understand that people who voted for Trump didn't do so because they are "idiots," but also that Trump absolutely lied to them from day one and will continue to lie to whoever will listen to him into the future. Trump is one of the "bad guys," in that he is a crony of the mega-rich, and in fact would like to have his place alongside them a lot more than, in wealth reality, he actually does.

What Brand is also saying is that things were not, and don't look to get, fundamentally better for the every man under the Democrats, who ultimately represent first and foremost the interests of the super rich and powerful just as much. This is just clear thinking. It was laughable when Obama got elected the extent to which people thought it was going to revolutionize everything. It was laughable when Trump got elected, it was laughable two months ago when Biden got elected.

The question I always have for my regular interlocutors here, though, is why, then, criticism of Trump - invariably well founded - was always met as if it was an apology for the Democrats? Surely this is as much the problem as anything else; the ability only to see things in the most binary terms. There was rarely any objective reason to defend Trump, insofar as genuinely understanding why people voted for him didn't require any defense of him as a human or as a political figure, since they (they being the blue collar workers, etc.) voted for him based on an overarching lie. There were only comparative excuses being made.

"Trump did X heinous thing."
"Yeah, but random liberal did Y heinous thing."
"Eh, okay, but that doesn't mean that doing X is grand, that's not how things work."

Anyone who wants to grow as an individual needs to separate two things; blame and responsibility. If you think that ultimately someone else is to blame for mistakes you made, fine. But you also need to swallow responsibility for them if you want to learn from them; if you get stuck in the blame of others state, you don't get anywhere. I lost money related to the financial crisis, some savings I re-invested when my SSI matured, under advice from the bank, ended up losing a few thousand when the bubble burst. There were people at the time suing banks and financial institutes for bad advice, etc. But push come to shove, I invested at the time simply because I wanted to make some money, because I wanted a bigger slice of the pie. Now maybe the banks were to blame for pushing people to invest, but by refusing on principle to try and "go after them" I accepted that the responsibility, as far as I was concerned, lay ultimately with me, and that decision sowed the seeds of several invaluable lessons as regards how the world works and how rotten that pie I wanted more of is.

I understood why people voted for Trump, even though I could see he was obviously lying to them. Why was it, why does it remain, so difficult to understand why the BLM protestors took to the street? It's the same heady cocktail of real life struggle and top-down bullshit that stirred up the two groups. And the same in Dublin recently. Those BLM style riots didn't happen just because a black guy got killed. They happened because people are sick of their existences, need to fucking vent, and are waiting for an outlet to do it through. The gardai understood that, to a certain extent, and took a hands off approach. Trump understood that too, and used it to his benefit by inciting the most motivated of his sick-of-it-all followers, the ones who had already traipsed across the country to support him in his bullshit, by exploiting their state of mind and state of existence to the service of his mega-rich cunt vanity project. Fuck Trump. Fuck Biden. Fuck the lot of them. But most of all, Fuck Kev 

[astfgyl]

In much the way that Trump was sort of inevitable as the protest vote against the status quo, was the Capitol invasion not then the logical progression when people see that the status quo is about to be reinstated in full? Getting rid of Trump or silencing conservatives on social media will do exactly nothing to right the perceived wrongs which have these people voting for Trump or storming the capitol. How are they ever going to find some common ground over there with how ridiculous this has all gotten? You and me mightn't hear much about it if the Ministry of Truth has their way but that will in no way make it go away. If these benevolent overlords truly wanted to do something about incitement to violence and hate speech then they should simply censor themselves and cease to exist, but that won't happen. Or they could remove all the democrat accounts which also spout shite all day long at the same time as removing the republican ones but that won't happen.

So for all the leftists here, do you think that the removal of dissenting voices from the internet is a good thing? And how has it happened that the left (which I always felt an affinity for as a young fella) has become synonymous with censorship, extreme compliance, and tolerance to the point of intolerance? In my mind as a young lad, the leftist opinion represented the notion of real change towards what was fair and equal in the world as a protest against the corporate style of things but it really hasn't turned out that way and now that they are doing better than the opposite side, what they are advocating is some fucked up hybrid of Nazi Germany and Stalin's Russia. What a crazy crazy flip. I had always thought of the right as the ones likely to bring in the technocratic future and enslavement of the common man to massive corporations but it's actually the same outcome no matter which side gets on top, just that the reasoning for it is different, but the boot is still stamping on the face as predicted. And that is no endorsement of either side, I'm just wondering if any of the leftists here are horrified at all to see it turn out this way.

And for some reason I found Arnie to be fucking annoying with that speech as well and no need for it. In fact the only sort of weak parallel to Kristallnacht going on this year was the destruction of small businesses during the BLM riots and the man on the street taking on the seat of government doesn't really compare. Well my example doesn't compare well either I suppose but still, fuck off Arnie and stay in the 80s where you were loved.

And seeing as the new reply has been posted, there is no one on the democrat side who is any less full of shit than Trump. They are all full of shit.

Edit: so here is the new echo chamber for the Twitter outcasts: https://gab.com/

And here is Andrew Torba's statement from today

Legacy media: you told us to "build our own platform."

We did.
You spent 4 years calling us "nazis" for doing it.
Now you want to talk?
I don't think so.
We have our own blog.
We have our own YouTube for video.
We have our own platform for distribution.

Enjoy the show.

So the circle of shit continues.

[Pedrito]

You're preaching to the converted here Chris. Like we all know we need to grow as individuald and don't need lectures on it to be frank.

I would say Trump was never, ever given a chance. He was denigrated and attacked from day one. The left, backed up by the worlds' media went into an absolute frenzy from day one with the guy. I think lots of reasonable people were willing to put up with his bullshit once they saw what really amounts to bullying take place. Nobody deserves whatever the hell that was over the last few years and anybody who thinks that way needs to go and have a look at themselves.

We talk about black people and God knows they suffer enough, but is that an excuse to hurl accusations and insults at anyone we deem not to singing off the hymnsheet of 'white privilege', 'institutional racism' etc? There's absolutely nothing constructive about any of it and we'll be lucky if the farce the other day at Capitol Hill was the climax of everything because it could have been 100 times worse.

The banking crisis is no good reason(or is it?) For people to resort to violence but history tells us that it only takes a few factors comjing together to spark shit off. Personally, I'm taking the Bill Burr approach. I see it all as a bit of a farce to be honest. The lad with the horns, if he's the biggest threat to democracy out there then I think we can all rest easy. The real damage is being done far from sight, behind the scenes. The neo-liberal agenda, the mass manipulation. That's what those people are riled up about, but a little like leftist politics in general, these QAnon etc don't seem to be all coming at this thing from the same angle. They're a mish mash of all sorts of grievances that would go over the head of 95% of the population. Trump provides some sort of symbol that they can all gather around, but it's plain to see his heart's not in it. For that reason it'll fall on its arse.

[Caomhaoin]

https://youtu.be/orad8gIfCiY

Couple of things.

Key to what Brand is saying is we need to understand that people who voted for Trump didn't do so because they are "idiots," but also that Trump absolutely lied to them from day one and will continue to lie to whoever will listen to him into the future. Trump is one of the "bad guys," in that he is a crony of the mega-rich, and in fact would like to have his place alongside them a lot more than, in wealth reality, he actually does.

What Brand is also saying is that things were not, and don't look to get, fundamentally better for the every man under the Democrats, who ultimately represent first and foremost the interests of the super rich and powerful just as much. This is just clear thinking. It was laughable when Obama got elected the extent to which people thought it was going to revolutionize everything. It was laughable when Trump got elected, it was laughable two months ago when Biden got elected.

The question I always have for my regular interlocutors here, though, is why, then, criticism of Trump - invariably well founded - was always met as if it was an apology for the Democrats? Surely this is as much the problem as anything else; the ability only to see things in the most binary terms. There was rarely any objective reason to defend Trump, insofar as genuinely understanding why people voted for him didn't require any defense of him as a human or as a political figure, since they (they being the blue collar workers, etc.) voted for him based on an overarching lie. There were only comparative excuses being made.

"Trump did X heinous thing."
"Yeah, but random liberal did Y heinous thing."
"Eh, okay, but that doesn't mean that doing X is grand, that's not how things work."

Anyone who wants to grow as an individual needs to separate two things; blame and responsibility. If you think that ultimately someone else is to blame for mistakes you made, fine. But you also need to swallow responsibility for them if you want to learn from them; if you get stuck in the blame of others state, you don't get anywhere. I lost money related to the financial crisis, some savings I re-invested when my SSI matured, under advice from the bank, ended up losing a few thousand when the bubble burst. There were people at the time suing banks and financial institutes for bad advice, etc. But push come to shove, I invested at the time simply because I wanted to make some money, because I wanted a bigger slice of the pie. Now maybe the banks were to blame for pushing people to invest, but by refusing on principle to try and "go after them" I accepted that the responsibility, as far as I was concerned, lay ultimately with me, and that decision sowed the seeds of several invaluable lessons as regards how the world works and how rotten that pie I wanted more of is.

I understood why people voted for Trump, even though I could see he was obviously lying to them. Why was it, why does it remain, so difficult to understand why the BLM protestors took to the street? It's the same heady cocktail of real life struggle and top-down bullshit that stirred up the two groups. And the same in Dublin recently. Those BLM style riots didn't happen just because a black guy got killed. They happened because people are sick of their existences, need to fucking vent, and are waiting for an outlet to do it through. The gardai understood that, to a certain extent, and took a hands off approach. Trump understood that too, and used it to his benefit by inciting the most motivated of his sick-of-it-all followers, the ones who had already traipsed across the country to support him in his bullshit, by exploiting their state of mind and state of existence to the service of his mega-rich cunt vanity project. Fuck Trump. Fuck Biden. Fuck the lot of them. But most of all, Fuck Kev 

This is eloquent and seems reasonable and balanced. Perhaps it is. But this Bolshevik will have us all up against the wall for 'sabotage' the first chance he gets.

Henry VIII was a pious, elegant, highly gifted young man, and Reinhard Heydrich played first chair violin, enjoyed poetry and cried upon hearing Mozart. Guy Burgess worked for the the British Secret Service, a Cambridge educated, brilliant linguist with a beautiful command of the English language. He also drank about 10 bottles of French (I don't believe in coincidences!!) wine a day frequently and passed secrets to the Soviets.

I don't think I need to spell this out for anyone.

Do not be seduced by the Greystones NKVD!

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Actually, I've just had it revealed to me that we've all, ALL been paying attention to the wrong thing. What's really, really important at the moment is correct punctuation!
https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1348179963288170498

[Pedrito]

https://youtu.be/orad8gIfCiY

Couple of things.

Key to what Brand is saying is we need to understand that people who voted for Trump didn't do so because they are "idiots," but also that Trump absolutely lied to them from day one and will continue to lie to whoever will listen to him into the future. Trump is one of the "bad guys," in that he is a crony of the mega-rich, and in fact would like to have his place alongside them a lot more than, in wealth reality, he actually does.

What Brand is also saying is that things were not, and don't look to get, fundamentally better for the every man under the Democrats, who ultimately represent first and foremost the interests of the super rich and powerful just as much. This is just clear thinking. It was laughable when Obama got elected the extent to which people thought it was going to revolutionize everything. It was laughable when Trump got elected, it was laughable two months ago when Biden got elected.

The question I always have for my regular interlocutors here, though, is why, then, criticism of Trump - invariably well founded - was always met as if it was an apology for the Democrats? Surely this is as much the problem as anything else; the ability only to see things in the most binary terms. There was rarely any objective reason to defend Trump, insofar as genuinely understanding why people voted for him didn't require any defense of him as a human or as a political figure, since they (they being the blue collar workers, etc.) voted for him based on an overarching lie. There were only comparative excuses being made.

"Trump did X heinous thing."
"Yeah, but random liberal did Y heinous thing."
"Eh, okay, but that doesn't mean that doing X is grand, that's not how things work."

Anyone who wants to grow as an individual needs to separate two things; blame and responsibility. If you think that ultimately someone else is to blame for mistakes you made, fine. But you also need to swallow responsibility for them if you want to learn from them; if you get stuck in the blame of others state, you don't get anywhere. I lost money related to the financial crisis, some savings I re-invested when my SSI matured, under advice from the bank, ended up losing a few thousand when the bubble burst. There were people at the time suing banks and financial institutes for bad advice, etc. But push come to shove, I invested at the time simply because I wanted to make some money, because I wanted a bigger slice of the pie. Now maybe the banks were to blame for pushing people to invest, but by refusing on principle to try and "go after them" I accepted that the responsibility, as far as I was concerned, lay ultimately with me, and that decision sowed the seeds of several invaluable lessons as regards how the world works and how rotten that pie I wanted more of is.

I understood why people voted for Trump, even though I could see he was obviously lying to them. Why was it, why does it remain, so difficult to understand why the BLM protestors took to the street? It's the same heady cocktail of real life struggle and top-down bullshit that stirred up the two groups. And the same in Dublin recently. Those BLM style riots didn't happen just because a black guy got killed. They happened because people are sick of their existences, need to fucking vent, and are waiting for an outlet to do it through. The gardai understood that, to a certain extent, and took a hands off approach. Trump understood that too, and used it to his benefit by inciting the most motivated of his sick-of-it-all followers, the ones who had already traipsed across the country to support him in his bullshit, by exploiting their state of mind and state of existence to the service of his mega-rich cunt vanity project. Fuck Trump. Fuck Biden. Fuck the lot of them. But most of all, Fuck Kev 

This is eloquent and seems reasonable and balanced. Perhaps it is. But this Bolshevik will have us all up against the wall for 'sabotage' the first chance he gets.

Henry VIII was a pious, elegant, highly gifted young man, and Reinhard Heydrich played first chair violin, enjoyed poetry and cried upon hearing Mozart. Guy Burgess worked for the the British Secret Service, a Cambridge educated, brilliant linguist with a beautiful command of the English language. He also drank about 10 bottles of French (I don't believe in coincidences!!) wine a day frequently and passed secrets to the Soviets.

I don't think I need to spell this out for anyone.

Do not be seduced by the Greystones NKVD!

It's all so utterly seductive until you find you're living in a shack growing your own vegetables and wondering why you listened when your doctor said you'd be happier called Mary.

[astfgyl]

https://twitter.com/getongab/status/1348287657680404481

[pete]

https://twitter.com/getongab/status/1348287657680404481

Gab pouring fuel on the fire. Tut tut. I will be closing my account!

[astfgyl]

https://twitter.com/getongab/status/1348287657680404481

Gab pouring fuel on the fire. Tut tut. I will be closing my account!

Have you seen his channel on Gab TV?

When he says it's for free speech I think it's going to turn out that certain types of speech will be freer than others...

[pete]

So Parler.com is down anyway, will be interesting to see how long for, he seemed very confident on getting it up relatively quickly. A massive task you feel.

This is a good one, Ted Cruz not happy with Big Tech: https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1347919674101657602
The same Ted Cruz who worked for Google to help with an anti-trust lawsuit against them: https://news.yahoo.com/when-google-hired-ted-cruz--was-it-lawyering-or-lobbying-224937497.html

"Facing the threat of an antitrust lawsuit from the state attorney general, Google hired Cruz to represent its interests before the agency where Cruz himself had worked just over two years earlier and where his mentor, Abbott, still called the shots."

[Kurt Cocaine]

I wonder how many blue haired girls got a little moist when they seen a real man, horn guy, in Capitol Building last week.?
Legend..!!

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I wonder how many blue haired girls got a little moist when they seen a real man, horn guy, in Capitol Building last week.?

Dunno, but I did see a video of a "real man" sobbing and getting moist in the eyes at an airport when he found out he'd been put on a no-fly list, pending investigation, having been identified inside the Capitol Building during the break-in   

[Ollkiller]

I wonder how many blue haired girls got a little moist when they seen a real man, horn guy, in Capitol Building last week.?
Legend..!!

Did you see his interview. He's a fucking fruit loop.

[Ollkiller]

I wonder how many blue haired girls got a little moist when they seen a real man, horn guy, in Capitol Building last week.?

Dunno, but I did see a video of a "real man" sobbing and getting moist in the eyes at an airport when he found out he'd been put on a no-fly list, pending investigation, having been identified inside the Capitol Building during the break-in   

Him screaming :"This is what they do to us" Gobshyte.

[Bigmac]

Just reading about the 1983 bombing of the Capitol building by the Resistance Conspiracy, another name for the May 19th Communist Organisation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_United_States_Senate_bombing

One of the perpetrators, Susan Rosenberg, was sentenced to 58 years in prison, but had her sentence commuted after 16 years by Bill Clinton, on his last day in office.

She now sits on the board of directors for Thousand Currents, an organisation that looks after fundraising and administrative work for Black Lives Matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg

I was under the impression that recent events were the first time something like that had happened in the Capitol building.

Could be a fun rabbit hole of connections to go down, but I've only scratched the surface.