Coronavirus

[astfgyl]

Africa is getting less of the vaccines because Africa has less money to pay for them. The money will be made in Europe, Asia, America before bothering the bollix trying to make it from the poorest and already hardest raped nations on Earth. Basically if the Africans were to get fucked over by Covid they'd have done it by now. How do you reckon social distancing and lockdowns are working in the back arse of Africa? Or the testing for that matter

You know well that I'm not saying covid is a hoax and you're deflecting from the point I was making. The entire response to it and the reasoning behind that response pretty much constitutes a hoax though. The efficacy of NPIs is basically a hoax (take the most obvious one, - the masks - and try to show me something convincing that proves they work beyond a wing and a prayer or some anecdotal shit. It can't be done.). The efficacy of covid vaccines is still questionable as of now (might change, jury is out). As for Gates, it's obvious what's going on, and no matter what thread it came out of those 20 seconds can be taken in or out of any context and still be representational of the man describing his overall buzz in his own words. You'd have to be blind not to see it and it's not a theory either it's all out in the open. Would you reckon that during that tabletop exercise known as Event 201, to simulate a novel coronavirus pandemic and was held in late 2019, that the multi billionaire philantropist crowd and the stakeholder capitalist crowd might have thought a bit about how to secure their profits and status at the same time as thinking about how to save all the poor starving children in Africa? Nah, probably not, nothing to see here at all.

They certainly hadn't invested in any potential response to a sudden and worldwide coronavirus outbreak that they funded the disaster modelling for and definitely didn't lobby for or try in any way to influence said response which entirely suited their own needs either. Sure that wouldn't enter their multi billionaire heads at all. These are the good guys after all, trying their best to make sure we never get sick again and that our big brother is always watching out for our health and safety and other nice things like that. Because they care and they love us and it's for own good and it puts the lotion in the basket and it rubs the lotion on its' skin and it behaves or it gets the lockdowns again and it won't be let in to buy things in places.

World health surveillance monopoly. World disease prevention monopoly. World health recommendations monopoly. World health research monopoly. World food monopoly. World climate control monopoly. The sky's the limit for this (admittedly very business savvy) person. Now in light of the last few points, read Ursula von der Leyen's tweet again:

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1417149624452882434

Pay special attention to the last bit which answers your Africa concerns for you.. it's on the way. The Africans will also need to be watched and vaccinated in due course once the wealth transfer is complete for the rest of the world.

[Nazgûl]

Jesus Christ the ranting is something else there.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Remember how incensed KC got over that iron cross photoshopped onto a runner on some random blog? Because it was misrepresenting by exaggeration the fact that you can indeed buy far right items of clothing on-line (not that that was at all surprising). Now, what do you think the reaction would have been if instead of our resident Scooby-Doo presenting it gotcha-style, it had been me who shared it claiming that it was "proof" that the far right were in fact something to be concerned about? I'd have been rightly laughed out of it, and the photoshopped iron cross would have been made an even bigger deal of. Well, that's what you did with that 30 second clip of Bill Gates. It's the kind of thing that a trial could collapse over even if everyone knew the accused was definitely up to something dodgy.

Does no one else find it absolutely relentless at the moment? You can't turn left or right without being confronted with things taken out of context but presented as concrete, immutable fact, whether that be anti-COVID measures or pro-COVID measures, anti-mRNA vaccine or pro-mRNA vaccine, anti-Republican or pro-Republican, anti-woke or pro-woke. Relentless.

Start out with the presumption that every cunt with an agenda, whatever that may be, is lying to you, whether they know it or not. The guy who edited that video of Gates, maybe he genuinely thought that Gates had just come out and publicly declared that he invested in vaccines primarily for personal profit, in the same way that people listen to Jordan Peterson and come away genuinely convinced that he's a fascist. In which case, what harm in just cutting out all the surrounding blahblah and leaving only what you're convinced he's saying anyway. The only problem, is that it isn't what he declared, it just semantically is not the message he communicated, however secretly cunningly he may have been hiding his real agenda, in the 10 minute interview.

So while anyone else predisposed to hating Gates (and why not!) will say, "Well, he may not have said it here, but it's what he thinks!" (reminds me of a trick Stewart Lee played on his audience once), others will look it up, see that it's an utterly misleading representation, and then, from that point on, they'll naturally tend to presume anything else coming from that source is likely also bullshit. This is exactly the point Scooby-snaKC was trying to make about the photoshopped shoe, except in that case it was just a total nobody writing a blog piece about a couple of online merch stores. Here though, the story you're getting at, if I've understood correctly, is that Gates - through the huge influence he has within the WHO, signaled and critiqued long before COVID arrived - has been guiding the WHO's COVID rhetoric and response in a bid to consolidate even more control over the future of global health surveillance. That's a little bit more serious than a photoshopped shoe, so try to keep the obvious bullshit out of it, even or rather especially if it seems like a gift-wrapped gotcha. And that means paying attention to context: the fact that video was tweeted as an answer to the question, "How would you convince someone COVID is a hoax?" is an enormous red flag that what's coming has a high chance of being bullshit. And, hop, it was! Even if you think you can prove that 30 second edit is a better representation of what Gates actually thinks, it's still not what he said in that interview. It'd be like chopping together the words "I killed that woman" from ten minutes of audio of someone you're convinced is a murderer and presenting the audio montage as a confession.


And that Stewart Lee piece, for comic relief...you'll have to wait til the last 20 seconds or so to get to the exact bit I was talking about, but it's worth it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj2LcKdRU0o 

[Grim Reality]

EDIT - Made an arse of the quote function. The following is Astfgyl's quote.........

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I'm fully with you on this, but apart from myself I don't think too many others here will be on board bar maybe a couple. I've given the last year or more calling it out on here but have been met with a lot of "nothing to see here, all coincidence, all above board" sort of responses. I'd be of the opinion that the covid is the ultimate Trojan horse. Not that it doesn't exist or anything but that the response has been tailor made to bring in this new era of surveillance and social control by consent. And y'know what, the vast majority are fucking lapping it up. It's also amazing how quickly old Klaus got that book written and published, it must have been pure train of thought stuff for him (or he had it at the ready for his minions well in advance).

In general though in this thread I'm trying to focus on the science element of things which is full of holes in itself.


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Well I wouldn't be saying "it's all above board, nothing to see here".

What I've said is that it's always been like this. Those in power (sometimes benevolent, often not) have been controlling and exploiting the multitude since the dawn of civilisation. They just do it in different ways as the eras change.

It's as if you think we live in some age of freedom and goodness and truth that's about to be taken from us. And that by seeing the changes that are going on in front of our eyes and calling them out we are going to be able to somehow resist and maintain our land of milk and honey.

The strong will continue to dominate the weak. Nothing fundamental is changing. I would still prefer the current and future enslavement to most/all examples from the past.

[son of the Morrigan]

While there is a fundamental truth in what Grimm Reality says it must be acknowledged that the tools of surveillance and control available to the "strong" have never been as potent as those currently at their disposal.
The leash around the neck of the "weak", held tightly in the iron fist of the "strong", is getting shorter by the day.

[Kurt Cocaine]

Remember how incensed KC got over that iron cross photoshopped onto a runner on some random blog? Because it was misrepresenting by exaggeration the fact that you can indeed buy far right items of clothing on-line (not that that was at all surprising). Now, what do you think the reaction would have been if instead of our resident Scooby-Doo presenting it gotcha-style, it had been me who shared it claiming that it was "proof" that the far right were in fact something to be concerned about? I'd have been rightly laughed out of it, and the photoshopped iron cross would have been made an even bigger deal of. Well, that's what you did with that 30 second clip of Bill Gates. It's the kind of thing that a trial could collapse over even if everyone knew the accused was definitely up to something dodgy.

Does no one else find it absolutely relentless at the moment? You can't turn left or right without being confronted with things taken out of context but presented as concrete, immutable fact, whether that be anti-COVID measures or pro-COVID measures, anti-mRNA vaccine or pro-mRNA vaccine, anti-Republican or pro-Republican, anti-woke or pro-woke. Relentless.

Start out with the presumption that every cunt with an agenda, whatever that may be, is lying to you, whether they know it or not. The guy who edited that video of Gates, maybe he genuinely thought that Gates had just come out and publicly declared that he invested in vaccines primarily for personal profit, in the same way that people listen to Jordan Peterson and come away genuinely convinced that he's a fascist. In which case, what harm in just cutting out all the surrounding blahblah and leaving only what you're convinced he's saying anyway. The only problem, is that it isn't what he declared, it just semantically is not the message he communicated, however secretly cunningly he may have been hiding his real agenda, in the 10 minute interview.

So while anyone else predisposed to hating Gates (and why not!) will say, "Well, he may not have said it here, but it's what he thinks!" (reminds me of a trick Stewart Lee played on his audience once), others will look it up, see that it's an utterly misleading representation, and then, from that point on, they'll naturally tend to presume anything else coming from that source is likely also bullshit. This is exactly the point Scooby-snaKC was trying to make about the photoshopped shoe, except in that case it was just a total nobody writing a blog piece about a couple of online merch stores. Here though, the story you're getting at, if I've understood correctly, is that Gates - through the huge influence he has within the WHO, signaled and critiqued long before COVID arrived - has been guiding the WHO's COVID rhetoric and response in a bid to consolidate even more control over the future of global health surveillance. That's a little bit more serious than a photoshopped shoe, so try to keep the obvious bullshit out of it, even or rather especially if it seems like a gift-wrapped gotcha. And that means paying attention to context: the fact that video was tweeted as an answer to the question, "How would you convince someone COVID is a hoax?" is an enormous red flag that what's coming has a high chance of being bullshit. And, hop, it was! Even if you think you can prove that 30 second edit is a better representation of what Gates actually thinks, it's still not what he said in that interview. It'd be like chopping together the words "I killed that woman" from ten minutes of audio of someone you're convinced is a murderer and presenting the audio montage as a confession.


And that Stewart Lee piece, for comic relief...you'll have to wait til the last 20 seconds or so to get to the exact bit I was talking about, but it's worth it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj2LcKdRU0o

You're not obsessed at all pal. Are you?

[Eoin McLove]

This is no doubt a naive, dumb question, but imagining the worst case scenario where all of this surveillance is activated (if it isn't already), what actual and practical difference will it make to our lives? How will it make things worse for the average Joe/ Josephine?

I understand it's an infringement on our freedoms, but for the vast majority of people that's a rather abstract idea. You get the vaccine and you get the passport with it so you can still travel wherever you choose (or is that wrong?); we are already potentially being monitored through our phone and Internet usage which for the vast majority doesn't mean anything beyond the abstract; we essentially now live in a cashless society so we are easily surveilled in that way too; speed cameras, CCTV, social media, forums like this... it's all kind of up and running already but apart from the philosophical implications, life seems pretty normal. Maybe even a lot more convenient? Covid not withstanding, of course.

I understand the resentment against the few who hold the power, but hasn't it always been so? What difference, in practical day to day terms, does it make if it's the top 20, 10 or 1% with the majority of wealth and power when you're a normal person doing normal things in a normal life?

[astfgyl]

Does no one else find it absolutely relentless at the moment? You can't turn left or right without being confronted with things taken out of context but presented as concrete, immutable fact, whether that be anti-COVID measures or pro-COVID measures, anti-mRNA vaccine or pro-mRNA vaccine, anti-Republican or pro-Republican, anti-woke or pro-woke. Relentless.

Start out with the presumption that every cunt with an agenda, whatever that may be, is lying to you, whether they know it or not. The guy who edited that video of Gates, maybe he genuinely thought that Gates had just come out and publicly declared that he invested in vaccines primarily for personal profit, in the same way that people listen to Jordan Peterson and come away genuinely convinced that he's a fascist. In which case, what harm in just cutting out all the surrounding blahblah and leaving only what you're convinced he's saying anyway. The only problem, is that it isn't what he declared, it just semantically is not the message he communicated, however secretly cunningly he may have been hiding his real agenda, in the 10 minute interview.

So while anyone else predisposed to hating Gates (and why not!) will say, "Well, he may not have said it here, but it's what he thinks!" (reminds me of a trick Stewart Lee played on his audience once), others will look it up, see that it's an utterly misleading representation, and then, from that point on, they'll naturally tend to presume anything else coming from that source is likely also bullshit. This is exactly the point Scooby-snaKC was trying to make about the photoshopped shoe, except in that case it was just a total nobody writing a blog piece about a couple of online merch stores. Here though, the story you're getting at, if I've understood correctly, is that Gates - through the huge influence he has within the WHO, signaled and critiqued long before COVID arrived - has been guiding the WHO's COVID rhetoric and response in a bid to consolidate even more control over the future of global health surveillance. That's a little bit more serious than a photoshopped shoe, so try to keep the obvious bullshit out of it, even or rather especially if it seems like a gift-wrapped gotcha. And that means paying attention to context: the fact that video was tweeted as an answer to the question, "How would you convince someone COVID is a hoax?" is an enormous red flag that what's coming has a high chance of being bullshit. And, hop, it was! Even if you think you can prove that 30 second edit is a better representation of what Gates actually thinks, it's still not what he said in that interview. It'd be like chopping together the words "I killed that woman" from ten minutes of audio of someone you're convinced is a murderer and presenting the audio montage as a confession.

You have a point that it's everywhere. A big one in the last couple of days is a photo of the French people protesting in Paris, but is actually a photo of the celebrations when they won the world cup in 2018. There's a lot of that shit and yes everything must be looked at through the lens of suspicion. But you are basing your entire argument on rubbishing that single video clip, even after all of the sources I've given for everything else related to Gates and his quest to monopolise world health, which are all verifiable and true. So I will take the point about the video as being out of context even though I thought it was a nice representation of how I feel about him.

So now we've gotten the 30 second clip out of the way, do you think the Gates is innocent of the things I think of him? Actually there is another one of Gates doing the rounds where he says that vaccines could reduce the world population by about 15%, which is held up to say he wants to kill people with the vaccines, and that one isn't the case of course as the point he made that time was if the African kids were more likely to survive, then they would have smaller families, hence reducing the population over time. All anyone really needs to see he has too much influence is the tweet from von der Leyen. And I do think every cunt with an agenda is lying, and the answer is always money or control, and never mass world depopulation or microchipping us to be more ready for the 5G signal through vaccines (although if there was a way to get a chip into us all, many would like to do it, but again for money or control). And again you know I don't think that Covid is a hoax, but that the response almost constitutes one, even if a lot of it seems to come from good intentions. Where are all the people falling down in the streets would be a good place to start with that one, or when did the epidemic start is another good place but I'm going off track with that.

And to respond to Grim Reality, I agree with your point for the most part. It has always been the many in control of the few, but in this age where everybody is connected and everyone has access to the tools to educate themselves in many many ways and there are still the remnants of a democratic system to elect governments or be rid of them, we have an opportunity to change things by becoming wise to the money men. Because it's the covid thread, take something like someone telling us that the Pfizer vaccine trials were a roaring success for example (again, I think the jury is out there, but could turn still turn out to be the case, I'm not suggesting it does nothing but more time and data would help). In the past we wouldn't have been able to look that up and have a look for ourselves, we would have just had to take the word of the media for it. Now we can look it up and there's a lot of holes in the trials, and the efficacy may not be quite what we have been led to believe by the media which is for the most part owned by people who stand to make massive profits from many facets of the current situation. We no longer need the media to do it for us in a lot of ways and we can get through a good bit of the spin and propaganda this way. That is a bit of a missed opportunity and one that the subjugated masses of the past did not have and we do in this day and age. Being the sort of fellow I am, I am disappointed that the internet has been used to divide rather than unite the masses but here we are.

And yeah as son of the Morrigan says, the leash is getting tighter and more pervasive. We won't be able to take a shit in peace soon enough.

Jesus Christ the ranting is something else there.

Those one liners really crack me up!

[astfgyl]

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Our local independent cinema, which was already deadly, has announced it's limiting screen admissions to 49 for every screening for the foreseeable so that they're not obliged to do the government's bidding on the vaccine passport. Making them even deadlier. Not many politically engaged yet still properly great cinemas out there anymore!

[astfgyl]

Fair play to them, that's a class idea and hopefully there will be some loopholes like that to exploit here as a sort of passive resistance. I mean get the vaccines by all means it's someone's personal choice but the segregation and coercion feels bad. In fact I'd say it's counterproductive to the idea of getting as many as possible vaccinated because I know many who are put off by that sort of pushy salesmanship. Fuck it though, every now and again something heartening like that cinema comes along to lift the spirits a bit.

[astfgyl]

And here's something less heartening...

We have been subjected to the various (maybe successful, maybe not) NPI's for the last year and a half. Nobody knows how Sars-CoV-2 is actually transmitted between people. Let that sink in a bit, and I'll repeat; nobody knows how Sars-CoV-2 is transmitted from person to person and therefore from place to place. The idea that the science is settled is a joke. The science is never settled. Here is a picture which puts forward the case for airborne transmission and to the Black Shepherd, I do remember you highlighting this a few pages back and saying it seemed pretty important (although at the time I wrote it off as more vaccine propaganda, because if it is airborne, then the only way one might be safe would be to take the shot etc).

Suddenly it has struck me how important this theory actually is. Not because of the possible propaganda, but important because it shows that the science on this is in no way settled and we truly have no idea how people catch it.

Science is the seeking of further knowledge through experimentation and proving or disproving hypotheses as far as I ever understood the idea.

How many people have tested positive or gotten sick with Sars-CoV-2 and have no idea how they came to be so? Many, if the anecdotes are to be believed but then we all know the strength of anecdotal evidence, don't we? It is the basis for a hypothesis and no more if we are to follow the science in the traditional sense over the science of the propaganda machine, and yet that anecdotal evidence without a control experiment is what we have for evidence of asymptomatic transmission which in turn has been the crux of the worldwide response since early 2020.

So airborne transmission is the new hypothesis which now needs to be proved through experiment and - if it does happen to prove true - will blow the science on the transmission of viral infections wide open once more. I don't give a fuck if it is true or if it isn't true but it needs highlighting that the whole world has been fucked over in the strongest possible fashion on the presumption that the science behind transmission is something that is known when in fact nobody knows the true method of transmission for Sars-Cov-2.

This is why the responses need to be properly trialed before implementation. Proper, RCT-standard trials. For everything.

If it was the likes of The Plague of 1349 (keeping it true whenever I get the chance), we wouldn't need to be told to do anything because we'd all be running a mile from everyone and trying to save our own skin (and we wouldn't need to be told not to kill the Grannies - Grandad is still as disposable as ever - and not to overload the health service for three weeks while waiting for the health service (which has been perfectly well funded and yet grossly mismanaged for decades because of the stroke politics bullshit which pervades every aspect of this island) to get its' shit together.

We wouldn't need the constant psychological assault from all angles of the media; the neuro-linguistic programming techniques, the coercive control and the nonsensical bullshit of trying to follow all of the nonsensical rules and then taking the first vaccine in history which has been taken for social reasons and to this day is still only approved for emergency use, (that is still a fact by the way, in Europe and the U.S.A. and check that yourselves, and don't forget that the rules of the emergency approval are dependent on the unavailability of any alternative treatments, like the much-suppressed evidence of efficacy of anything else other than mRNA technology!) if there was some sort of lads-dropping-in-the-street-with-no-comorbidities, tough-shit-to-humanity virus doing the rounds. With or without science behind it, we'd all be running a fucking mile.

Finally: Here is that airborne transmission evidence picture that I was on about..



Follow the science, scientists!! Go fuck, fuckers! It's like the way I've always envisioned the Dark Ages to be, with the crusades and the witch burning and god knows what the fuck else. Life is gone like the witch burning scene in Monty Python's Holy Grail but it's only gone that way because there is money or power to be made by the moneymen and there are enough fucking eejits willing to ignore the evidence of their eyes and ears and they (We, because I'm a cunt too) are laughing their way into enslavement in the literal sense instead of the figurative sense. We are funny fuckers indeed. The point has been made that it has always been this way (and indeed it has) but the major difference these days is that with the technology we have at our fingertips we could easily teach each other some sort of basic grasp of this science (me bollix, it's the media that is telling you what the science says over anything science-related) that we are all supposed to be following.

Is there anyone else who is actually following the science?

[Eoin McLove]

This is no doubt a naive, dumb question, but imagining the worst case scenario where all of this surveillance is activated (if it isn't already), what actual and practical difference will it make to our lives? How will it make things worse for the average Joe/ Josephine?

I understand it's an infringement on our freedoms, but for the vast majority of people that's a rather abstract idea. You get the vaccine and you get the passport with it so you can still travel wherever you choose (or is that wrong?); we are already potentially being monitored through our phone and Internet usage which for the vast majority doesn't mean anything beyond the abstract; we essentially now live in a cashless society so we are easily surveilled in that way too; speed cameras, CCTV, social media, forums like this... it's all kind of up and running already but apart from the philosophical implications, life seems pretty normal. Maybe even a lot more convenient? Covid not withstanding, of course.

I understand the resentment against the few who hold the power, but hasn't it always been so? What difference, in practical day to day terms, does it make if it's the top 20, 10 or 1% with the majority of wealth and power when you're a normal person doing normal things in a normal life?

No takers?

[Emphyrio]

This is no doubt a naive, dumb question, but imagining the worst case scenario where all of this surveillance is activated (if it isn't already), what actual and practical difference will it make to our lives? How will it make things worse for the average Joe/ Josephine?

I understand it's an infringement on our freedoms, but for the vast majority of people that's a rather abstract idea. You get the vaccine and you get the passport with it so you can still travel wherever you choose (or is that wrong?); we are already potentially being monitored through our phone and Internet usage which for the vast majority doesn't mean anything beyond the abstract; we essentially now live in a cashless society so we are easily surveilled in that way too; speed cameras, CCTV, social media, forums like this... it's all kind of up and running already but apart from the philosophical implications, life seems pretty normal. Maybe even a lot more convenient? Covid not withstanding, of course.

I understand the resentment against the few who hold the power, but hasn't it always been so? What difference, in practical day to day terms, does it make if it's the top 20, 10 or 1% with the majority of wealth and power when you're a normal person doing normal things in a normal life?

No takers?

That'd be my outlook on things too. There's enough mundane shit to be giving out about that actually does impact our day-to-day. Getting worked up over a system that we can do fuckall about seems pretty pointless and only causes undue stress. At the end of the day, my sweaty balls currently concern me more than whatever Bill Gates is up to.

Added to the sweaty balls, got my second Pfizer jab. Awake since 4am with a sore arm and tired but not able to sleep. That bastard sun is creeping up now too.

[Eoin McLove]

This is it. I think it's admirable that people take such a detailed interest in all of this stuff from big business,  Covid, global warming etc. and it's good to have some idea about it all. I'm just not sure what difference it really makes because, when it comes to the crunch, we have so little sway over anything. The decisions are made so far above our heads, far ahead of the time we live to see them take effect, that the argument is moot from the start. That's a defeatist attitude no doubt, and maybe it's more to do with my personality- if I'm working and making enough money to survive and do the things I think are important or pleasurable then the rest of it is a bit of a sideshow to say the very least. The only thing I find happens when I start paying attention to any of it is it irritates me and makes me angry. But it's an impotent anger that feels like just another chain around my own neck... so shrug it off and get on with life with that much less stress.