The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade

[hellfire]

How did the undersupply of housing affect so many different countries? Familiar with the causes here, but it seems to be a global phenomenon. I'm normally the first one to blame immigration for everything but that's an aggravating factor and not a root cause.

[Snare]

I'm surprised this hasn't come up yet about Gymnastics Ireland:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66937302

It's absolutely terrible for the kid, but I find it extremely difficult to believe this was a racist snub, that someone would be so stupid to bring this on themselves with cameras galore around the place.

On seeing the video it seems a genuine mistake after trying to untangle medal ribbons, which are a pain at the best of times, let alone when at a big event, long line of kids and the pressure is on. On a side note, it's hard to see how they expect to maintain their identity when their faces are plainly displayed in the interview and in the event video.

Anyway, it seems to be totally glossed over that the person handing out the medals said in an e-mail immediately after:
In it she apologised to the family for upsetting "you and your lovely child", saying she was very nervous, that it was a genuine mistake. "When I realised my mistake," she said, "I ran back to get your lovely child a participation medal and apologise".

So she ran back and corrected her mistake and apologies there and then. Now that e-mail didn't get to them until months after as GI failed to pass it on due to a number of reasons (possible legal action is cited!), but surely the kid relayed to her parents at the time that she got her medal with an apology for the oversight.

After the mediation the parents formed the opinion the medal giver is racist, but give no insight into how they formed that opinion, despite now seeing her e-mail. Surely it would be racist to focus on whether or not one specific minority got their medal - it could just as easily happened to another kid on the line it seems to me. And got damn she did go back and give out the medal and apologise, but that's still glossed over. (Christ, now that I think of it, how many times have my own kids missed out on something being passed out for whatever trivial reason?? Was it racist by a potato muncher to pass over a junior potato muncher?)



SO this is the next thing I saw today:
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2023/0929/1408040-gymnast-mother/

So now they want volunteers, who give up so much of their personal time each week for absolutely nothing, now have to spend more of their own time away from their own life and family to ensure they treat people differently, to ensure they are treated the same (if ya catch my drift!).

Volunteer training for adults is for dealing with kids, full stop. It's not for historically native kids, new native kids, new kids on the block, nothing different whatsoever.

Volunteers go through training to fully respect and protect all kids. We go through child protection courses, consider different scenarios that might impact on kids. Volunteers do other training to help deliver programmes in their field, organise weekend events etc. This might take up 3 full weekends of a year at least, part weekends maybe 8 times a year, and one night/day 40 times a year, and then deal with paperwork, communication outside of that on their own time, long into night time when they should be spending time with family, getting sleep or attending to work duties.

And now people want volunteers to give up yet more of their time. Here's a suggestion - become a volunteer yourself and help change things form the inside if it's found to be needed, but at the very least see if there's actually an issue inside the organisation first.

I and any adult volunteer I've ever worked with treat everyone equally and with respect, but if some shit like this became compulsory then you'd have people saying enough is enough, look after your own kids, we've spent enough time giving and now we're out of here You wouldn't even start the training where you'd be warned of possible civil action for inadvertently insulting someone where genuine apologies and mistakes will count for nothing. 

[astfgyl]

When I first saw this edit I thought the person sharing it had made it to make JP look bad. But no, apparently it was his own team:
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1707151044902310281

Good to see conservatives showing their true colours again though, making everything about being elite, outright calling people without a general third level education "stupid" and "counterproductive lumps." Whatever turns the handle of the grift machine I suppose. Maye we should get in on it and start a Metal Warfare Academy. MWA. Micks Wit Attitudes.

Do people actually pay attention to him these days? I was sure he was just some sort of scattergun guy with no particular point to make other than he's Conservative or whatever he is.

[astfgyl]

I'm surprised this hasn't come up yet about Gymnastics Ireland:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66937302

It's absolutely terrible for the kid, but I find it extremely difficult to believe this was a racist snub, that someone would be so stupid to bring this on themselves with cameras galore around the place.

On seeing the video it seems a genuine mistake after trying to untangle medal ribbons, which are a pain at the best of times, let alone when at a big event, long line of kids and the pressure is on. On a side note, it's hard to see how they expect to maintain their identity when their faces are plainly displayed in the interview and in the event video.

Anyway, it seems to be totally glossed over that the person handing out the medals said in an e-mail immediately after:
In it she apologised to the family for upsetting "you and your lovely child", saying she was very nervous, that it was a genuine mistake. "When I realised my mistake," she said, "I ran back to get your lovely child a participation medal and apologise".

So she ran back and corrected her mistake and apologies there and then. Now that e-mail didn't get to them until months after as GI failed to pass it on due to a number of reasons (possible legal action is cited!), but surely the kid relayed to her parents at the time that she got her medal with an apology for the oversight.

After the mediation the parents formed the opinion the medal giver is racist, but give no insight into how they formed that opinion, despite now seeing her e-mail. Surely it would be racist to focus on whether or not one specific minority got their medal - it could just as easily happened to another kid on the line it seems to me. And got damn she did go back and give out the medal and apologise, but that's still glossed over. (Christ, now that I think of it, how many times have my own kids missed out on something being passed out for whatever trivial reason?? Was it racist by a potato muncher to pass over a junior potato muncher?)



SO this is the next thing I saw today:
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2023/0929/1408040-gymnast-mother/

So now they want volunteers, who give up so much of their personal time each week for absolutely nothing, now have to spend more of their own time away from their own life and family to ensure they treat people differently, to ensure they are treated the same (if ya catch my drift!).

Volunteer training for adults is for dealing with kids, full stop. It's not for historically native kids, new native kids, new kids on the block, nothing different whatsoever.

Volunteers go through training to fully respect and protect all kids. We go through child protection courses, consider different scenarios that might impact on kids. Volunteers do other training to help deliver programmes in their field, organise weekend events etc. This might take up 3 full weekends of a year at least, part weekends maybe 8 times a year, and one night/day 40 times a year, and then deal with paperwork, communication outside of that on their own time, long into night time when they should be spending time with family, getting sleep or attending to work duties.

And now people want volunteers to give up yet more of their time. Here's a suggestion - become a volunteer yourself and help change things form the inside if it's found to be needed, but at the very least see if there's actually an issue inside the organisation first.

I and any adult volunteer I've ever worked with treat everyone equally and with respect, but if some shit like this became compulsory then you'd have people saying enough is enough, look after your own kids, we've spent enough time giving and now we're out of here You wouldn't even start the training where you'd be warned of possible civil action for inadvertently insulting someone where genuine apologies and mistakes will count for nothing. 

Saw that story. It's dumb as fuck and shows once more that the demand for racism is outstripping the supply. I would contend that anyone looking for ways to be racially aggrieved is actually the one who's racist. I mean people could say that it might have been hurtful for the kid without mentioning the colour of them but of course they could have done that long ago when the thing actually happened.

More astroturfing from the ngo sector would be my best guess

[hellfire]

When I first saw this edit I thought the person sharing it had made it to make JP look bad. But no, apparently it was his own team:
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1707151044902310281

Good to see conservatives showing their true colours again though, making everything about being elite, outright calling people without a general third level education "stupid" and "counterproductive lumps." Whatever turns the handle of the grift machine I suppose. Maye we should get in on it and start a Metal Warfare Academy. MWA. Micks Wit Attitudes.

Do people actually pay attention to him these days? I was sure he was just some sort of scattergun guy with no particular point to make other than he's Conservative or whatever he is.

I do. I found the academy idea interesting but how it pans out is another thing.

[Mooncat]

When I first saw this edit I thought the person sharing it had made it to make JP look bad. But no, apparently it was his own team:
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1707151044902310281

Good to see conservatives showing their true colours again though, making everything about being elite, outright calling people without a general third level education "stupid" and "counterproductive lumps." Whatever turns the handle of the grift machine I suppose. Maye we should get in on it and start a Metal Warfare Academy. MWA. Micks Wit Attitudes.

The only useful takeaway from this video is that JP's daughter would get it

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

It will pan out as a more or less successful grift is how it will pan out. The man is BS central, on every topic I've ever seen him discuss. Though I also accept that university teaching faculties are likewise full of BS merchants. Anyway, whenever you hear JP talk about anything, you should be telling yourself there's a very high chance he's just pulling shit out of his hole and presenting it as fact:
https://twitter.com/thebadstats/status/1708923561052930217

[hellfire]

He was mistaken on the employment history of the authors of one book he mentioned a few times so he's completely full of shit?

Given the 30 megabytes of scutter you've trotted out on here I thought you'd be more forgiving.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Yes, he pulled the authors' training background and occupation out of his hole (and then drew conclusions about the psychological make-up of the authors based on this erroneous information) just as, more seriously, he pulled out of his hole all but one of five of the conclusions the authors had drawn from their data. Plus those he invented weren't just slightly off, they were fantastically off: In place of the real data about the kind of male figures women sexually fantasize about, which was things like bodyguard, prince, boss, sheriff, etc., he gets surgeon right, but then adds vampire, werewolf and pirate    And then he draws conclusions about the psychological make-up of women on the basis of this almost wholly invented data. Sure don't let us stop ya there JP, you're flyin'!
 
When he speaks on, for example, climate the levels of BS are even worse. This example really just has the merit of being particularly easy to highlight.

[hellfire]

  Looks like somebody is all geared up for a five pager. Good luck with that.

[Ollkiller]

He was mistaken on the employment history of the authors of one book he mentioned a few times so he's completely full of shit?

Given the 30 megabytes of scutter you've trotted out on here I thought you'd be more forgiving.

Google Jordan Petersons grandma story. Fucking hell. Read it today. So wished I hadn't.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I wouldn't personally hold it against anyone that they shared a dream, regardless of the content, least of all a clinical psychologist (which, back then, was his only game). If anything, I welcome folk being more open about dreams! No, it's the way he reasons in his waking life that bothers me 

[astfgyl]

https://www.politico.eu/article/fight-against-ussr-nazi-waffen-ss-trooper-yaroslav-hunka-world-war-ii-soviet-union-germany/

Paper never refused ink

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

https://www.politico.eu/article/fight-against-ussr-nazi-waffen-ss-trooper-yaroslav-hunka-world-war-ii-soviet-union-germany/

It's fascinating to see this brand of defense not only materializing in camp liberal but being moreover condemned for what it is by (not exclusively, but this is the fascinating part) the camp who in the past would have been most likely to roll it out.

[astfgyl]

They're Liberal when it suits them but for the most part they're simply authoritarians with a new handle. Modern political identities are a great insight into how the whole nazi gassing Jews shit got going in the first place.

The rehabilitation of nazi sympathisers is not how I saw virtue signalling panning out in the finish but then I mustn't have thought about it hard enough.

It's the high point of virtue so far as I see it anyway. I've given a week laughing at the whole thing and I'm still finding it funny.

There's no left and right anymore,  there's traditional liberalism and authoritarianism more like it.

How did the left as I thought I was end up becoming this weird government approved just stop oil and cut your mickey off while your at it just don't protest about medical tyranny and massive wealth transfer and then go round singing the praises of massive soulless corporations that we all knew were bad until we had the shits put up us for 3 weeks and now we think they're heroes and deserve the Nobel peace prize while the money ploughed into their stupid invention could have been used to do good but instead we have a third world health service where they go on telly to tell people not to turn up to it still after 43 billion spent on locking up healthy people for fuck knows what while destroying small businesses but leaving the multinationals open to profit and lining the pockets of cronies in a fashion that would make 2008 blush but instead of being vilified it's actually celebrated and now there's mainstream supposedly serious articles telling us that there's nuance to being a nazi after screaming into our faces about killing grannies for 3 years while bought off governments worldwide socialised the funding of said shit products while privatising the profits from said thing that no-one wants anymore anyway like what the actual fuck is all this shit seriously type thing? Yeah how did all that become the left, I'd like to know because I thought it was supposed to be about doing things fairly giving people an equal chance helping the needy and stuff but no it's this bollix now instead and even worse there's plenty of folk willing to back it up.

Fuckin state of the lot of it.