The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade

[astfgyl]

Yeah no need for that lark. I think there are questions to be answered by govt as to why they operate an open door policy only to leave the migrants homeless when they get here. Then you have the likes of Paul Murphy coming out in support of what appears to be a convicted terrorist (I say appears because you'd never know these days) which only fans the flames of those who think they're righteous in their persecution of the migrants themselves rather than the policies that have them here like this.

The annoying part as I see it is that all this was flagged long ago when the policy on Ukrainians was adopted but the govt decided to go down the road of calling everyone the far right instead of addressing the concerns in any way shape or form. Ukrainian women and children very quickly became something else entirely but the govt stayed pretending it wasn't happening and didn't close the loopholes at all, thus leading to shit like this. "Ireland is full" isn't going to go away with situations like this but decent governance could have headed it off long ago.

Very poor indeed

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Mate of mine who works around there says those flats and houses have been boarded up for at least 10 years now. No mystery at all about where the responsibility for housing crisis lies; the clues are everywhere.

[astfgyl]

Yeah I don't blame the migrants for it, we had a crisis in the making long before most of them arrived. Even now though the government could be smarter and try slow things down a bit in terms of arrivals at least for non EU nationals or speed up the asylum application process and send away the ones who don't qualify or even something radical like taking the argument away by offering the homeless Irish accommodation or something to ease the tensions or we'll end up like Sweden. Simply calling lads the far right even if some of them are won't do the trick here

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

If it wasn't just plain and simple racism behind it, they'd be starting fires in very different places, let's put it that way.

[Caomhaoin]

If it wasn't just plain and simple racism behind it, they'd be starting fires in very different places, let's put it that way.

Thats a lazy analysis.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Amusing array of replies to this tweet from Gript's very own John McGuirk, in which he says the fires were a step too far:

https://twitter.com/john_mcguirk/status/1657154365226885123

[astfgyl]

Well the fires were a step too far. I doubt many would dispute that.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Feel free to do a quick tally among the replies there, then pop over to the rm.tv account and keep counting.

[Ollkiller]

If it wasn't just plain and simple racism behind it, they'd be starting fires in very different places, let's put it that way.

Thats a lazy analysis.

It may be lazy alright but those fuckwits lighting fires are idiots. You don't like the policies then protest the government. Now some of them may have legitimate concerns re immigration but a lot of them are racist pricks anyway.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Here's my lazy analysis of Kristallnacht: racism was behind it.

But social conditions! The treaty of Versailles!

Yes, racism directed those social conditions to hostility towards those with no power instead of towards those with power.

The social conditions are a given. Racism is behind the direction the hostility is pointed.

If you can fill in the gaps for Kristallnacht, you can do it for last night's actions. Don't be so lazy.

[hellfire]

It didn't turn out to be the bloodbath that some on Twitter had planned. There were plenty cheering on for the lads to be dragged off and beaten. One woman from Waterford announced that she had gotten a bottle of wine and a takeaway to enjoy with some live streamed violence. People who take such childish delight in violence have no idea what it is from either the perspective of someone on the giving or receiving end. It's like the way I still imagine gun violence to be a dot on someones forehead when the reality is far grimmer.

That said my fears were unfounded. The leftist clowns who showed up were in the humiliating position of having to negotiate their release through the Gardai, they got rid of the offending encampment and nobody got hurt. I'm nervous about those on the right who want to make these things physical. It will hand the leftist media what they need to make actual far-right boogeymen. Of course there was misreporting and selective camera angles all morning, but at least it wasn't true. The Gardai let the lads tear up the camp in exchange for allowing the lefty lads to leave safely. Burning the shit afterwards probably wasn't agreed on but at least the blaze didn't need the fire brigade.

[Caomhaoin]

Here's my lazy analysis of Kristallnacht: racism was behind it.

But social conditions! The treaty of Versailles!

Yes, racism directed those social conditions to hostility towards those with no power instead of towards those with power.

The social conditions are a given. Racism is behind the direction the hostility is pointed.

If you can fill in the gaps for Kristallnacht, you can do it for last night's actions. Don't be so lazy.

Anti-semitism and racism are not necessarily the same thing. So that's a lazy analogy to go with your previous gleeful, hand rubbing  blaming of RACISM (dun dun dun!).

There is a serious supply and demand issue with nazis and racists and Prince Valiant and the knights of the problematic table here will jump on anything to try to fill the void. I don't really blame you, you're just towing the party line.

Burning tents and confronting terrified foreigners mob handed is clearly counter productive for the actors and traumatising for the migrants. It doesn't mean the motivation is as simple and knuckle dragging as the left make it out to be. History has shown that shoehorning DIVERSE groups of people together often results in conflict, often perennial and unending. Some cunts in positions of influence might read a book or repeat 'those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it' ten times before their night time glass of cocoa.

[Caomhaoin]

By the way, Kristallnacht happened in 1938, at a time when the German economy was booming and the Treaty of Versailles was de facto dismantled and ignored, a mere memory. Read a book!

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Didn't say anti-Semitism and racism are "the same thing" though Nazi anti-Semitism was plainly racist so, yawn. And yawn to all your other hair splitting. Plain racism is the guiding force directing these actions, just as the SS roped civilians into aiding in Kristallnacht.

[astfgyl]

I think a lot of it is more dissatisfaction with the dissolution of the world these people grew up in, and their basic failure to deal with that coupled with their own lack of self worth must come out somehow and their anger must be directed somewhere and hey look there's brown people eating our bread so that must be the problem because it definitely isn't decades of being one of the most crooked little countries on earth at a governmental level, definitely nothing like that. We were all delighted taking the sham money during the Celtic Tiger years so we were - ah great times while the country was being run into the fucking ground but yknow what, we were alright Jack.

We all get nostalgic in our way.

But at the same time, some of it is legitimate. Some.

The us v them on all sides is not helping at all. We need to concentrate our efforts on the reptilian motherfuckers in charge of the whole fiasco rather than the actual humans looking to take advantage for a better life. The Irish are every bit as quick to fuck off to Australia and Canada as the Arabs are to come to Europe. Treating people like vermin for wanting better isn't great form.

Saying all that I still think there are legitimate concerns around immigration in this country that must be addressed before it's too late. They won't be addressed though and anyone who has anything to say other than welcome one and all will still be the far right. And the endless carousel of shite will continue to spin while the country becomes a mini England along the way because no-one spoke up reasonably and without demonising the immigrants.

There's fools, there's eejits and then there's the fuckin Irish. Handicapped cunts.

Hey sure let's set a few tents on fire that'll sort it eh. No no don't mind holding the government to account for their awful awful governance going back decades sure wasn't things fantastic when we had Bertie ahern etc etc and none of those dirty immigrants.

Lastly for now what's the craic with that terrorist lad swinging the metal bar around there the other day that's being supported by spastic Paul Murphy with the no gender baby? What a fuckin tool. Is the lad convicted of terrorism or not and if he is what the fuck is he doing here at all? See, legitimate concerns! Unless it turns out that's not even him which tbf is well possible