Somebody blew the load on their Instagram and put up the tour poster prematurely.
European dates were;
06/05 Nurburg, GER –
06/08 Amsterdam, NET – TBA
06/21 Clisson, FRA – TBA
06/26 Stockholm, SWE –
06/27 Somerset, UK – TBA
06/29 London, UK – TBA
07/04 Dublin, IRE – TBA
07/07 Glasgow, UK – TBA
Same date as Fontaines DC in Iveagh and Specials in Trinity, guessing Rage will end up in 3Arena.
Saturday and all... Hmmm!!!!
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They were good last time, but I'm guessing it'll be the 3 Arena so the guts of €100 a ticket
I'd be disappointed if it was. I know a lot of that stuff is promoter controlled, and they're a huge name, but they're not in that Elton John/Eagles tier of ticket pricing. Especially with their pronounced lack of production. They've got to fly over their gear and a big flag with a red star on it, right?
Good to see these revolutionaries with their incredible understanding of politics have listed Dublin as being in the "United Kingdom".
I was at that show last time, there was lots that pissed me off about it but I went as they were a staple listen in my teens and I never caught them. They absolutely rocked for the time they were onstage, can't fault them for the performance element - energy and delivery were 110% Crowd reaction was unbelievable too, the whole arena was hopping, even for the stuff off Evil Empire and Battle.
However;
The ticket price was extortionate - think it was €65-70 for a seat. This was clearly an accounting exercise to cover the "Free Gig" they promised London for sending Killing In The Name to Number 1 the previous xmas. Cheers lads, a free gig the rest of us have to stump up for.
Absolutely scaldy with the setlist, 14 songs , two of which were covers. Just under 70 minutes on stage.
Some of Zak's spiels were toe curling. "We, the poor need to unite so we can take back from the rich" 14,000 X €65 = Gross Sales of 910,000 for one gig. Absolutely bent.
If the setlist was longer an ticket prices reasonable I'd go again, could possibly stomach some of the above.
Never understood the fascination with this band - absolute shite with the exception of a few ok songs I'll pass.
A staple of my youth for sure but I don't think I could ever shell out the kind of money they want for this obvious cash grab. No album? Cryptic Stench outlined many reasons for not going, being lectured by millionaire socialists about "taking the power back" is a convincing one though.
To quote Porcupine Tree : "Music of rebellion makes you wanna rage, but it's made by millionaires that are nearly twice your age".
Fuck sake, lads, unclench those sphincters.
Doesn't look like anyone will get the chance to avoid it anyway. Turns out the poster was faked..
No need to get so worked up.
The wankers at this gig will be incredible!!!
Blah blah blah. Tis fucking Rage. I'll probably hit them somewhere in Europe whenever the real tour is announced.
Wasn't this fake?
Rage give out stink about the fabled 1%, which they're clearly not a part of. I'm in it for the tunes. There's far worse minds in metal than fucking Zack De La Rocha. Never understood the school of thought that you need to be poor to talk about poverty.
Worse minds sure. Music is ace no question. But when you're walking away with a million bucks and doing fuck all about it yourself it's all a bit bono. You know, preaching about taxes yet paying none and opening lucrative supermarkets in Latvia . So no you don't have to be poor to talk about poverty but you do not have to be a cunt.
He seems to do a fair bit of activism. More than your average joe. I really don't give a fuck. Battle of Los Angeles is a banger of an album and they should be paid for what they do. Couldn't give a toss about Bono either when I'm enjoying Achtung Baby. Fairly certain he's done more good than me, even though he dodges taxes. Might be a bit of a cunt. Zack? Doubt it. The Irish just hate anyone with notions.
Whatever.
The Irish hate anyone with notions? Good lad.
Quote from: Cryptic Stench on November 26, 2019, 05:17:55 PM
The Irish hate anyone with notions? Good lad.
It's an oft-repeated trope in our national discourse with anyone in the media, yeah, although it's fairly obvious I'm intentionally generalising.
Saw a socialist buy a coffee from a SuperValu the other day. The bastard.
A lot of highly intelligent people in this thread
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Quote from: Cryptic Stench on November 26, 2019, 04:57:33 PM
Worse minds sure. Music is ace no question. But when you're walking away with a million bucks and doing fuck all about it yourself it's all a bit bono. You know, preaching about taxes yet paying none and opening lucrative supermarkets in Latvia . So no you don't have to be poor to talk about poverty but you do not have to be a cunt.
Ah here all the lads in rage have been in activism in various forms for years. And donate to charity. Christ like. Varg killed someone and people still listen to burzum. Get over it.
Quote from: Cryptic Stench on November 26, 2019, 04:57:33 PM
Worse minds sure. Music is ace no question. But when you're walking away with a million bucks and doing fuck all about it yourself it's all a bit bono. You know, preaching about taxes yet paying none and opening lucrative supermarkets in Latvia . So no you don't have to be poor to talk about poverty but you do not have to be a cunt.
Who's walking away with a million bucks? Your calculation was 14,000 x €65 = €910,000, gross. So even gross it's not a million, and it's pretty well accepted that concert organisers like MCD, Aiken, etc., take a huge cut compared to in other countries, since the cost of getting a band and crew to Ireland couldn't account for the difference in ticket prices between Ireland and the continent. And, generally speaking, Zack and Bono are nothing like each other in their activism. Zack doesn't sit down to gourmet banquet lunches with world leaders and religious leaders. He visits prisons and does interviews with Chomsky. Sure, the whole being a major label superstar while preaching about inequality seems irreconcilable from the outside, and maybe it is, but there really is no comparison with Bono, who proudly lives like a major label superstar...something no one has ever witnessed Zack doing.
Isnt the whole idea of a celebrity preaching about global poverty etc is to bring the issue to the attention of the wider public?
Isnt that a good thing?.(regardless of how much money they have)
Quote14,000 X €65 = Gross Sales
Yeah I said gross sales.
Well aware of things like venue hire, promoters cut etc but thanks for pointing that out. I may be exaggerating slightly but don't be forgetting merch sales which is a sweet lump of cash.
Anyway, I was rounding up but you're getting bogged down in minutiae my friend, the point is that they walk away each night with a sizeable bag of cash. So when they say "We, the poor" doesn't really carry much weight does it?
And when they say we're "putting on a free gig to thank our English fans" it's not really a free gig is it? Everyone else paid for it.
It doesn't stop me listening to them but it is irritating.
I do however take back the Bono comparison.
Quote from: Cryptic Stench on November 27, 2019, 01:46:06 PMSo when they say “We, the poor” doesn’t really carry much weight does it?
You talk about getting bogged down, but you're getting caught up in literalism, here. I'm not even one hundred percent sure that you're quoting him verbatim, but even if you are that statement can be handily explained if you apply a wee bit of imagination to the situation.
Rage's live activism is a bit of a rallying cry. "We, the poor" whips up crowd sentiment through broad inclusivity. Those with power versus those without. Those with real, genuine wealth and capital to influence global shifts versus those who sell a few records and their fans. Yeah, Rage are effectively poor in contrast to the systems of power they speak out against.
Now I'm not saying they're on the ball, or anything. We can dither on the naivete of their politics all day long if it's not your bag. But it's a bag they can get away with.
You've got some knobs out there - sweet Bono reference brah - but by and large this perceived hypocrisy around being a name actor/musician and speaking out against injustice is fucking bullshit. And really boring, to boot.
QuoteWe, the poor" whips up crowd sentiment through broad inclusivity
Not really, the bulk of the crowd at the three arena that night were Ivy League, probably went straight back to working for unethical multinationals .
Quote from: Cryptic Stench on November 27, 2019, 03:02:46 PM
QuoteWe, the poor" whips up crowd sentiment through broad inclusivity
Not really, the bulk of the crowd at the three arena that night were Ivy League, probably went straight back to working for unethical multinationals .
Oh of course. Most people don't give a toss. Still, that's the idea behind the rhetoric so the point remains.