https://blabbermouth.net/news/rumor-panteras-2023-lineup-to-include-charlie-benante-and-zakk-wylde
If it happens, Zakk Wylde is simultaneously the obvious choice for this and also what would turn me off it the most.
I'm fairly sure it's actually Andy Cunningham stepping in. The whole "I'm moving to Australia" thing was a ruse , he's been in a shed in Phil's back garden for the last 18 months practicing his shredding.
Also I saw someone post about this Pantera reunion on Instagram earlier and presumed it was a joke. Weird.
I too thought it had to be bullshit without the Abbott brothers but it seems like the 2 lads are going for it. It's like this, the one time I was going to see them out was cancelled due to 9/11 so if it does happen I'll go have a look at it. Also agree Zakk Wylde is a bit off putting but fuck it it'll have to do. That video he has about him and Dime as young lads is cringy shit
Who's chance the drums? Odds are it'll be the lads from Anselmo's band but if they were going for big names... Benante? They were mates, Diamond played on a couple of Anthrax albums. Assuming they're not busy themselves of course. I'd have though Scott Ian might have a hand in it but he's strictly a rhythm guitarist, isn't he?
Pointless speculation, obviously.
Tis all in the link man, Benante and all.
Also if they did, they won't tour as 'Pantera' surely?
Pantera A.D? PantNEWera? PanTOURera?!!
Phil, Rex Without The Cowboys From Hell?! :-X :abbath:
Mmmm,never saw them live,2001 9/11 cancellation was the closest.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 14, 2022, 03:06:56 PM
Tis all in the link man, Benante and all.
Ah right, I didn't know there were details out, beyond 'Rex and Phil cash in'.
Great news. Phil has been doing Pantera songs during illegal shows for years so not that big of a surprise but the thoughts of actually going to see Pantera in somewhere like the 3 arena now being an actual possibility is something I never thought would happen.
If Vinne Paul was still alive he never would have been part of this and I am sure would have done whatever he could to stop it from happening. He always blamed Phil for what happened.
Would ye go see it?
Suppose if Queen replaced Freddie Mercury and John Deacon...
Quote from: Circlepit on July 14, 2022, 06:41:38 PM
Would ye go see it?
Hell yeah, Am I doing it right ?
Quote from: The Butcher on July 14, 2022, 03:10:37 PM
Also if they did, they won't tour as 'Pantera' surely?
Pantera A.D? PantNEWera? PanTOURera?!!
Phil, Rex Without The Cowboys From Hell?! :-X :abbath:
Partera has to be for the win
This doesn't surprise me. With no one left to kick him out of the band Anselmo is on to a winner. The only thing that is shocking is that he had the tact to wait until the corpses of his former band mates cooled first.
Ah yeah the 2 lads had to be dead for sure
Phil sounding awesome at the minute, why the hell wouldn't they do it?? Benante would be killer, dunno about guitarist tho.
Be a hell of a night out
Saw these bucks in early 90s in SFX were any of ye at it? Can't remember much about it now
Yeah ,I was there. The feeling was goddamn electric :abbath:
Them and the Seps was it or am I getting my gigs mixed up?
I saw them with Megadeth in The Point in 92. Ferocious gig. Funnily, I saw something about this on YouTube this morning and I clicked the link but it was an old interview (obviously) with Dime and Vinnie giving their side of the story regarding the split.
Dunno how I feel about it. I would probably go and see them live. That is, if I'm not actually the secret guitarist...
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I was 11 in 92. Funny that. If an 11 year old today gave me their opinion on something, I'd be like, "Uh-huh."
I was ten, but I was precocious :P
Quote from: Circlepit on July 14, 2022, 06:41:38 PM
Would ye go see it?
No. I had no interest when Pantera was a thing, less interest in the cash-in.
Quote from: Don Gately on July 14, 2022, 09:41:56 PM
Saw these bucks in early 90s in SFX were any of ye at it? Can't remember much about it now
That was with Gruntruck, wasn't it?
I'd go see a Gruntruck reunion for sure.
Benante and Wylde apparently confirmed, along with the blessing of the Abbot's estates . Who I imagine will be getting a tidy cut.
https://www.brooklynvegan.com/panteras-reunion-lineup-will-feature-zakk-wylde-and-anthraxs-charlie-benante/
I'm by no means a Pantera fan but I think with the right supports (which given Anselmo's tastes could be interesting) even I'd go see this out of curiosity when it inevitably hits the 3 Arena. I've missed all the other big legendary names over the years bar Slayer so why not.
Yea, Pantera were one of those gateway bands that got me in to the more underground Death Metal stuff. I remember seeing a Pantera tribute band around 15 or so years ago. Were they Irish? Honestly can't remember
Cobhboys From Hell? There were a couple of decent Irish Pantera tribute bands at some point. These lads definitely had the best name.
Cowboys from Heaven is a better name. CFH songs based on the Highway to Heaven TV show.
Remind me again why I'm not a millionaire.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 15, 2022, 10:32:07 AM
Cobhboys From Hell? There were a couple of decent Irish Pantera tribute bands at some point. These lads definitely had the best name.
They're called Pantéire now
Quote from: Eoin McLove on July 15, 2022, 11:24:06 AM
Remind me again why I'm not a millionaire.
Cos if you're looking for an album to redo with that theme, it's surely gotta be South of Heaven.
For that reason, I'm afraid I'm out.
No interest in this at all. No Abbot brothers = No Pantera. End of.
Yes maybe Gruntruck supported I'd say it was 92. Good gig iirc I think they supported Megadeth the following year perhaps
Quote from: Pentagrimes on July 15, 2022, 09:29:32 AM
I'd go see a Gruntruck reunion for sure.
Benante and Wylde apparently confirmed, along with the blessing of the Abbot's estates . Who I imagine will be getting a tidy cut.
https://www.brooklynvegan.com/panteras-reunion-lineup-will-feature-zakk-wylde-and-anthraxs-charlie-benante/
I'm by no means a Pantera fan but I think with the right supports (which given Anselmo's tastes could be interesting) even I'd go see this out of curiosity when it inevitably hits the 3 Arena. I've missed all the other big legendary names over the years bar Slayer so why not.
Something like Portal wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility. He always tried to bring up and coming bands on tour with him that he liked. In a way he is partly responsible for Satyricon blowing up even though that ended being a bad thing since the band turned to shit after Volcano.
Saw a thing recently as well that Phil is regular customer at Hells Headbangers.
Fingers crossed for a set consisting only of 'Power Metal' in full and 2 or 3 songs off Cowboys From Hell...a man can dream.
Quote from: leatherface on July 15, 2022, 11:43:02 AM
No interest in this at all. No Abbot brothers = No Pantera. End of.
The Abbott brothers were fairly shit without Anselmo and Brown though. I could more do without Vinnie than Dime while I'm thinking about it.
Haha, that's sadly true.
Disappointed it's Wylde on guitar, but I can see why they might want to add a bit of extra star power to sell tickets. If he keeps it close to the source material it could be great. If he plays like himself though it would be a pretty frustrating gig to sit through...
3 Arena, really though, would it sell out for this?
Can you really call it a reunion if half the band are fuckin dead!
Quote from: Born of Fire on July 15, 2022, 09:19:02 PM
Can you really call it a reunion if half the band are fuckin dead!
No, especially if that half of the band formed the actual band. Best of luck to all involved though.
Quote from: Born of Fire on July 15, 2022, 09:19:02 PM
Can you really call it a reunion if half the band are fuckin dead!
Support on tour is The Beatles.
Quote from: Born of Fire on July 15, 2022, 09:19:02 PM
Can you really call it a reunion if half the band are fuckin dead!
I saw Lynyrd Skynyrd a few years back and it was literally only one original member out of a 6-piece band. One of the guitarists, and not even one of the good ones... Though they did have the original singer's brother on vocals, which I guess they imagine lends it some kind of extra authenticity?
I wonder would people have a better view of this if it was promoted as more a tribute to the two dead boyos along the lines of Death to All?
Quote from: Ducky on July 17, 2022, 06:55:08 PM
I wonder would people have a better view of this if it was promoted as more a tribute to the two dead boyos along the lines of Death to All?
Might seem a tiny bit disingenuous given they weren't exactly on good terms at the times of the others' deaths, and now plan to make money off the legacy.
If he can have manage the vocals with some level of power and not to much of his terrible nowadays screaming and there are not pinch harmonics every 10 seconds it has the potential to be a good night out.
I wonder what sort of drum sound they will go for.
3Arena way to big no?.As usual people reading way to much into these reunions,like Death to all,its a bit of craic. Nostalgic buzz for an hour at a gig.I genuinely couldn't give a fuck if band members are cashing in ,as long as I have a good night out.
That's about the height of it. If they started recording with a new line up that would be a different story...
... no Layne, no Chain!
Quote from: Paul keohane on July 17, 2022, 10:13:27 PM
As usual people reading way to much into these reunions,like Death to all,its a bit of craic. Nostalgic buzz for an hour at a gig.I genuinely couldn't give a fuck if band members are cashing in ,as long as I have a good night out.
I agree with this!
I never got the chance to see Pantera, this will have to do. Whatever anybody thinks about Zakks image or the way he goes on, he's a great guitar player and I'm sure the lads won't let him widdle about aimlessly on stage like he does at his own shows.
Phil and Rex were in fine form at Hellfest and Death to All were fucking phenomenal :abbath:
Quote from: Ducky on July 17, 2022, 06:55:08 PM
I wonder would people have a better view of this if it was promoted as more a tribute to the two dead boyos along the lines of Death to All?
I think at least 95% of people lighting internet aflame with how outrageous they are with this thingy happening wouldn't go to the gig even if Dime and Vinnie are alive and in the band + getting Terry Glaze to guest on selected songs from the first albums.
I don't think I'd go either of the two lads were still alive. I don't hate Pantera and still throw them on the odd time. Don't think I would have enough nostalgia to justify the trip and ticket.
Quote from: hellfire on July 19, 2022, 07:23:47 PM
I don’t think I’d go either of the two lads were still alive. I don’t hate Pantera and still throw them on the odd time. Don’t think I would have enough nostalgia to justify the trip and ticket.
This, word for word. CFH to FBD still get the odd spin, and the last time I threw on VDOP I was surprised how much I enjoyed it. Couldn't be bothered with them when the actual band were playing, and this line up doesn't appeal at all. Wylde's involvement alone is a dealbreaker for me.
Quote from: Carnage on July 19, 2022, 07:37:29 PM
Couldn't be bithered with them when the actual band were playing
What was it about the band that would have put you off seeing them? Most live footage I've seen seems incredible.
Dunno, maybe the whole knuckledragging elements of their behaviour - they all seemed like total dickheads from what behind the scenes & interview footage I've seen of them. The thought of seeing them live never appealed to me.
It must be said that I had bowed out of going to gigs altogether by the mid/late '90s, and that's when they would have been playing over here, I suppose. For instance, I've skipped multiple chances to see Motorhead, Slayer, Ministry etc., some of the bigger bands that I've loved over the years as I just had no interest in gigs at all for about 15-20 years. I've seen Maiden twice, 27 years apart and only saw Slayer for the first time on their farewell tour, so it was probably more to do with the gig thing than them in particular.
But that being said, I still wouldn't go to see the classic line up if they were still around. I thought their live album (and the last 2 studio albums, for that matter) was shit, they really needed a second guitarist for when Diamond was playing solos IMO.
Oh they were/are absolute fucking morons,particularly Anselmo I think that's indisputable. Definitely a large part of the reason that I've largely no time for them bar a few tunes. And they attract a lot of fucking idiots too. But then again, that applies to a lot of bands, metal or otherwise.
I thought they were cool as fuck and those home videos were hilarious when I was a young lad, apart from the last one which was shite as they were barely in the fucking thing. The ultra masculinity of Anselmo might seem a bit embarrassing now, but he was like a God to me and my pals in dem ol 90s.
They were a force of nature live at one point. That footage from Russia when they opened for Metallica is another level.
The footage from the Foundation Forum in 1990 is ferocious too. And sure a lot of the best metal is made by total spas anyway :abbath:
Couldn't agree more. If I was to filter out every musician that I didn't think was a clown I'd have to get rid of about 30℅ of my collection.
Fuck it I'll be going if they come anywhere near the place
Fair points (I mean I've paid to see Kerry King, Mike Patton, Lars Ulrich and Janick Gers onstage) but I still would't be bothered about them TBH.
Quote from: The Butcher on July 14, 2022, 03:10:37 PMAlso if they did, they won't tour as 'Pantera' surely?
Pantera A.D? PantNEWera? PanTOURera?!!
Phil, Rex Without The Cowboys From Hell?! :-X :abbath:
Shamtera
Got to meet Phil after the first Down reunion show in Manchester in 06 and he was an absolute gent. Sat on the steps of the tour bus after the gig and stayed there for almost 4 hours signing stuff, chatting to people and taking photos. Over the years I have always seen nothing but good words from people who met Dimebag as well.
Also saw a story on another forum from a guy who's band played at one of the Housecore festivals he said Phil rented out an entire floor in a hotel for all the bands that played, supplied them with free drink and after the festival was over he came to hotel that night and partied with them. Plenty of dicks out there but Phil doesn't seem like one of them.
First shows taking place in South America soon. Some European dates announced unsurprisingly nothing for Ireland doesn't even seem to be an English date.
No North American headline shows either. All they seem to be playing is the first nights on the American leg of those 2 day Metallica shows.
Think I will head to one of the European shows not taking the chance as they may end up being the only dates.
Quote from: Slaughterday on July 15, 2022, 02:21:05 PMFingers crossed for a set consisting only of 'Power Metal' in full and 2 or 3 songs off Cowboys From Hell...a man can dream.
That would be my choice also. Love that album
https://blabbermouth.net/news/watch-pantera-soundcheck-for-first-concert-in-over-20-years
It's terrible quality but still.
https://blabbermouth.net/news/watch-pantera-play-first-concert-in-over-20-years-at-mexico-hell-heaven-metal-fest
Sounds really good.
Missed this, yeah I'd be there with bells on
Saw a few clips over the last few days and then watched the first few tunes earlier on but had to turn it off during Strength Beyond Strength. Exactly as I suspected, Zakk Wylde does his own thing. I'd still consider going if it was here but my expectations of anything from Pantera went down with the twin towers :laugh:
Quote from: open face surgery on December 07, 2022, 08:23:41 PMSaw a few clips over the last few days and then watched the first few tunes earlier on but had to turn it off during Strength Beyond Strength. Exactly as I suspected, Zakk Wylde does his own thing. I'd still consider going if it was here but my expectations of anything from Pantera went down with the twin towers :laugh:
Ah shite does he really? No joking can he not just do the dime impression and be done with it. Look at what benante said about the drumming fair play to him
Zakk just can't stop squealing
Solo in A New Level is wank, the verse riff in Mouth For War sounded off, solo was in or around the original but still off and Strength Beyond Strength was a mess so turned off.
Benante was beat perfect in all I saw, fair play to him.
I mean, once you've made your nest egg by systematically butchering Randy Rhoads' solos live for three decades, why would you suddenly think another guitarist deserved better?
They should have gone the route that was done with other musicians, and brought them back as holograms.
That's the first gig they have done together so maybe it'll get better. The clips I saw looked good but whichever songs I looked at didn't have mental Zakk pinch harmonics.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 07, 2022, 11:19:22 PMI mean, once you've made your nest egg by systematically butchering Randy Rhoads' solos live for three decades, why would you suddenly think another guitarist deserved better?
He's been taking a shit on Iommi too, I've seen his Sabbath cover band, one of the worst gigs I've ever been to :laugh:
I've seen a video of them playing Walk from one of their new shows. Looked good and Zakk wasn't doing anything weird. They weren't very lively on stage though, but maybe it was near the end of the set. Or maybe they're old. Either way, I'd go see them.
Walk is the last tune. There wasn't a lot of his cunty pinches in the vids I saw but it was shite.
Watching one of the shows now and it sounds fucking good to me 8)
Phil sounds unreal. I never thought he'd be able to pull it off so well. Planet Caravan sounds savage. He can't sing in high register any more but he's powerful and note perfect.
Zakk Wylde is no match for Dime it has to be admitted. I bet they are all friends, but there's probably a technically better player out there who could do those leads more justice. That said, it would be a fun night out.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 07, 2022, 11:19:22 PMI mean, once you've made your nest egg by systematically butchering Randy Rhoads' solos live for three decades, why would you suddenly think another guitarist deserved better?
:laugh: It's funny because it's true
What I have seen so far sounds great to me as well. Phils vocal transformation is crazy. The only thing missing is Phil jumping around the stage but of course that isn't possible anymore. I just hope they change the setlist around a bit and don't play the same songs at every single show. Tickets for Berlin arrived in the post yesterday can't wait a band I never thought I would get to see. I would love to hear the underground in America, GTS, Suicide note Pt.2, Hard lines etc.
They were never going to find someone even close to Dime but Zakk Wylde has always been the name who would replace him even when rumours of a reunion were going around when Vinne was still alive. Zakk Wylde doesn't look to be in good health he looks like a recovering addict in some of the photos I have seen.
In fairness his vocals hold up,very surprised.
From the set I saw, nothing off TGSK - strange move I thought. Any inclination why that might be?
Benante said they'll cover every record, by the time they hit Europe that the set will be jigged around a bit and they'll have another set of songs rehearsed.
Quote from: Squigs on December 10, 2022, 01:06:43 PMFrom the set I saw, nothing off TGSK - strange move I thought. Any inclination why that might be?
Could of sworn I saw Drag the waters listed this day last week just after the first show happened and the set was online but can't find that anywhere now. Phil was doing suicide note part 2 with the illegals so I would hope they do start adding trendkill tracks.
I'd be there in a flash. To echo other posts his voice sounds strong. Just heating him in Uber macho PANTERA mode would be brilliant fun.
https://metalwani.com/2023/05/zakk-wylde-accused-of-using-backing-tracks-on-pantera-reunion-shows.html?fbclid=IwAR0TXHh8jvgEQg_sudlld98cKvfkH0RmJWBqXx_rJQy1QSAIQc4-MZXX9ro
He's not up to the task at all. There are probably thousands of guitarists out there who could do a more convincing tribute to Dime. Fuck it though, a gig would still be fun.
I agree that a gig would be fun alright and I'd definitely still go, never got to see them before.
Generally speaking the use of backing tracks is sacrilege to me, especially for rock and metal. Bands like Behemoth are complete pantomime with half their material piped in through the PA. It's kinda sad when it's done for a band like Pantera who were so raw live, that being the beauty of it.
Seems like fake news to me lads.
Zakk has responded to this claim in his own words:
QuoteFor every fucking second the pathetic media pisses on me and judges what I am in one paragraph, look here, fuck you all!
:laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Giggles on May 09, 2023, 01:51:55 PMSeems like fake news to me lads.
Was just gonna say the same thing. It's a non-story.
It's not 'harmonic squeals' in the song as cited as being the backing track/part in question. (The sound is produced with a whammy pedal, most probably controlled by the guitar tech).
Definitely would head along to a gig meself if announced.
Lol for fucks sake these same blogs were writing avout how Scott Ian was controlling the digitech whammy backstage for a gig earlier this year - exactly what he did for Dimebag years ago too - for these exact parts in the song.
https://www.guitarworld.com/news/scott-ian-zakk-wylde-pantera-whammy-pedal
A "news" article which contains any variation of 'A fan also commented on a YouTube video...' is not news, just conjecture of the uninformed.
Is this a common thing though, pedals being operated from backstage? I'd have thought the guitarist would want full control when they're playing. An odd set up.
Depends on the guitarist I suppose. Dime had his guitar tech manage his effects (except for a wah pedal maybe?) from backstage, so he had the freedom to run around the front like a lunatic. The same guitar tech that's now touring with Zakk, no less! Using some of the Dime's pedals from years ago which is cool.
Personally, the only 'dodgy' thing I find about Zakk's playing in that video is that he
didn't play the
actual pinched harmonics during the chorus :laugh:
Quote from: Bürggermeister on May 10, 2023, 10:44:58 AMA "news" article which contains any variation of 'A fan also commented on a YouTube video...' is not news, just conjecture of the uninformed.
Yeah, shite journalism but I suppose they got their clicks in the end.
Here's a 1 hour video of Dimebag at a guitar clinic in Texas. He answers questions and plays a bunch of stuff. It's a great watch, and if I remember correctly he discusses how his effects are operated from backstage. He was some fucking player hi.
https://youtu.be/C2kuuzG6mvU?t=11
UK shows will happen in 2024 no word on anything for Ireland yet though. Going to see them myself in a month and I can't wait. I saw they played Suicide Note Pt. 2 recently. Really hope they play that next month.
What do we reckon the odds are on a Dublin date?