I threw on Use Your Illusions II this morning, and when it got round to Get In The Ring, I decided that today was the day I was finally going to look up who his dad, who allegedly got more pussy than him, actually is.
Turns out that Bob Sr. was the founder of Penthouse, so that bit makes sense.
But, even better than that, it also turns out that:
QuoteAllegedly Guccione, taking the song's lyrics at face value ("Get in the ring motherfucker and I'll kick your bitchy little ass"), accepted Rose's challenge to a fight. Rose promptly backed down after learning of Guccione's past as a trained fighter.
:laugh: :laugh:
I think Use Your Illusions needs to be released in a critical, annotated edition!
They're strange albums, other than 'My World' there's not much shite stuff on them, but a lot of it isn't brilliant either. A lot of the shorter, rockier songs just seem like Appetite leftovers (and some of them are), as self indulgent as putting out two 75 minute albums at the same time is some of the more longer songs are where it shines, the likes of Coma, Locomotive, Civil War etc.
There was definitely the material there for one hour long stone cold classic.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 08, 2021, 11:59:59 AM
I threw on Use Your Illusions II this morning, and when it got round to Get In The Ring, I decided that today was the day I was finally going to look up who his dad, who allegedly got more pussy than him, actually is.
:laugh: That's been on the to-do list for significantly more than half my life!
Re: the albums, there's definitely a valid case for it being whittled down to an hour and it would be the best album of all time, for me.
I've always thought that GnR's reputation far exceeded their recorded output. Don't get me wrong, I still love Appetite for Destruction and knew it like the back of my hand by 8 years old. Some of the Use Your Illusion stuff is very good but those albums are as patchy as fuck overall. The Spaghetti Incident is not good either. Chinese Democracy is not the worst but doesn't sound like GnR and hardly counts as classic.
Would still like to hear the abridged version of Use Your Illusion though. There is definitely one serious album to be made out of it. When I was a young fella I used to think Axl was a right hard cunt calling the chap out like that. I'd have been devastated to find out the real story
What songs would make the abridged version? Coma is surely an agreed certainty!
Spaghetti Incident introduced me to the damned, misfits etc. I guess if you'd known them previously it was a bit shit. But great tunes on it! Love Dead Boys' ain't it fun.
I'll have to have a skip through them this evening and come back with a track list. Be something to do. Haven't played either in a good while.
Maybe turn it into a list thread for McLove
Right Next Door to Hell
Dust N' Bones
Don't Cry
Perfect Crime
Bad Obsession
Back Off Bitch
November Rain
Coma
Estranged
You Could Be Mine
Civil War
14 Years
Pretty Tied Up
And I'd probably take these too.
Double Talkin' Jive
The Garden
Knockin' on Heaven's Door
Locomotive
From Use Your Illusions II, I'd potentially drop only Knockin' On Heaven's Door. Locomotive is one of my top tracks off that disc actually. There's more filler on I, in my opinion.
Civil War
14 Years
Don't Cry
Pretty Tied Up
Locomotive
November Rain
Don't Damn Me
Estranged
You Could Be Mine
Coma
If I was to pick a 10 track album from them that would be it.
No love for Yesterdays? I love that song.
Kinda answered my own question there :laugh:
Breakdown is a fantastic song ! Has to be in there.
I would seriously struggle to cull the Illusions albums to ten tracks, love 'em both. Should have googled Guccione's Da years ago myself!
Ok lads, what do yis make of Chinese Democracy?
I've always thought it was an underrated record, ok it's a drastic sound difference and overproduced to fuck but again, like the UYI's, if you trimmed the fat a little I think there's a great record in there.
Right Next Door To Hell
Dust N Bones
Perfect Crime
Back Off Bitch
Double Talkin' Jive
Garden of Eden
Bad Apples
Dead Horse
Coma
Civil War
14 Years
Get In The Ring
Shotgun Blues
So Fine
Estranged
You Could Be Mine
To be a fair a good few more could have made their way in there, they aren't half as patchy as I was discrediting them for. The lead on Estranged is worth the admission price alone.
Yesterdays is grand it could have got in there as well. It was worth going back to them after a good few years.
Chinese Democracy is ok, it's just so different it doesn't feel like GnR and it was hyped up for so long it could only end in underwhelment
Quote from: ldj on February 08, 2021, 10:14:46 PM
Ok lads, what do yis make of Chinese Democracy?
I've always thought it was an underrated record, ok it's a drastic sound difference and overproduced to fuck but again, like the UYI's, if you trimmed the fat a little I think there's a great record in there.
There's 2 horrendous tracks and another 2 or 3 filler, which aren't any worse than the filler on UYI, and the rest of the album is excellent. The good stuff on it is very nearly on a par with the good UYI stuff.
To this day, Appetite for Destruction is the only GnR record I've listened to in full.
Of course I've heard the singles on and off from the other records. From this thread, I can gather that I haven't missed much.
I saw them twice (1992 & 2006). I thought they were shite both times.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on February 08, 2021, 06:38:04 PM
No love for Yesterdays? I love that song.
An incredible song. I love the Illusion albums. Coupla dud tracks here and there but overall just masterpieces. The artwork, the songs, the breadth of their musicianship and writing has probably never been matched by any band. People get worked up the superficial, the image, the personalities, but go try and write a song like Breakdown or Estranged and come back to me in 500 years when you finally manage it. Pure genius.
Quote from: Emphyrio on February 08, 2021, 10:42:29 PM
Quote from: ldj on February 08, 2021, 10:14:46 PM
Ok lads, what do yis make of Chinese Democracy?
I've always thought it was an underrated record, ok it's a drastic sound difference and overproduced to fuck but again, like the UYI's, if you trimmed the fat a little I think there's a great record in there.
There's 2 horrendous tracks and another 2 or 3 filler, which aren't any worse than the filler on UYI, and the rest of the album is excellent. The good stuff on it is very nearly on a par with the good UYI stuff.
The first few songs are sort of gicky but the further you go into the album, it's got some very nice stuff indeed. I love the song Prostitute.
Rock Opera. Larger than life. God be with the days.
https://youtu.be/dpmAY059TTY
Quote from: Pedrito on February 09, 2021, 08:28:25 AM
Rock Opera. Larger than life. God be with the days.
https://youtu.be/dpmAY059TTY
Just listened to that. Mightily impressive, I have to say. Amazing song writing skills for sure from dear ol' Mama Fratelli.
There's been an abridged version available for over 20 years!
https://www.discogs.com/Guns-N-Roses-Use-Your-Illusion/master/1167578 (https://www.discogs.com/Guns-N-Roses-Use-Your-Illusion/master/1167578)
Estranged is such a great song. We all know Axl should have released Chinese Democracy as his own solo album which is a mixed bag affair. Think it was the 2006 gig when Therapy? were supporting and news came that Axl actually showed up on time and was out on stage, Andy from Therapy? goes something along the lines of "I hear Axl is actually on time for once, we had another dozen songs in the setlist in case he didn't show up so anyway...here's our last song."
It's hard for me to listen to GNR after years and years of my brother blasting them in his room, esp him jamming to Coma on a ACOUSTIC guitar.
Better
There Was a Time
Sorry
IRS
Madagascar
This I Love
Prostitute
are all class.
First two tracks are cool too. Axl pulled another Axl overloading it with filler. But if he'd even dropped If The World and Scraped, it would have helped a lot.
This is good podcast on Axl's various rows with people around Use Your Illusion - including the who Bob Guccione Jnr. tale.
https://www.stitcher.com/show/rivals-2/episode/press-punks-axl-rose-vs-everyone-in-get-in-the-ring-69792594
It's not a bad podcast in general actually until the two lads start to out-muso each other in later episodes.
Quote from: Emphyrio on February 09, 2021, 11:16:08 AM
Better
There Was a Time
Sorry
IRS
Madagascar
This I Love
Prostitute
are all class.
First two tracks are cool too. Axl pulled another Axl overloading it with filler. But if he'd even dropped If The World and Scraped, it would have helped a lot.
Agree mostly on the above. I wouldn't be mad on the opening 2 or 3 songs, Scraped crap too. The list you put up is incredible. I think the album really just soars to amazing heights 5 or 6 songs in and keeps going until the end. Listen to the odes to Queen and even Blind Melon on Catcher in the Rye. Street of Dreams is excellent too. It's a great album when you actually go and listen to it. Proper rock songs.
Scarily, it's nearly 13 years since the release of 'Chinese Democracy'.
The gap between 'The Spaghetti Incident' and 'Chinese Democracy' was 15 years.
Has there been any mention of a new album, especially now that Slash and Duff are back in the line up?
As I think you said earlier about Estranged, it's just pure rock opera. And I think because he indulged in that side of things so much, and possibly got it out of his system to an extent, if current GnR write material, which I believe they are, I think they could come up with something as balanced as UYI.
They're one band I could easily see releasing an absolute epic of an album if they ever got round to it. I don't thnk their songwriting ability has gone anywhere unlike Metallica for example.
100% agreed.
It would be interesting to hear, I've heard bits and pieces of Slash's solo stuff over the years and there's bits of brilliance like the intro to Anastasia but most of it just seems like he's on autopilot, but I think Axl would push him a bit more musically.
Either that or they cash in and make a subpar rehash of their classic album like most reformed bands do :laugh:.
They could have done that a tonne over the years though and theu didn't because Axl didn't want to 'prostitute' himself. Who knows, maybe it's all talk, but he always wanted to do his thing and not be a slave to anyone, even bandmates, hence the wait for the last album. Would love an album from them.
Chewwwwn maaan
https://youtu.be/VWiX-MKTUTY
Quote from: TheRuts on February 09, 2021, 10:24:23 AM
There's been an abridged version available for over 20 years!
https://www.discogs.com/Guns-N-Roses-Use-Your-Illusion/master/1167578 (https://www.discogs.com/Guns-N-Roses-Use-Your-Illusion/master/1167578)
Looking at that it seems to be the exact opposite to the tracks that I picked for a short form. Dunno if I'd be into that collection.
Listening back to the 2 discs it struck me that Metallica seem to have borrowed heavily from the idea of those with the Load albums. A lot of similarly styled riffs but a lot more ham fisted attempt by Metallica even though I do like those Load albums all the same
Quote from: astfgyl on February 09, 2021, 03:11:00 PM
Quote from: TheRuts on February 09, 2021, 10:24:23 AM
There's been an abridged version available for over 20 years!
https://www.discogs.com/Guns-N-Roses-Use-Your-Illusion/master/1167578 (https://www.discogs.com/Guns-N-Roses-Use-Your-Illusion/master/1167578)
Listening back to the 2 discs it struck me that Metallica seem to have borrowed heavily from the idea of those with the Load albums. A lot of similarly styled riffs but a lot more ham fisted attempt by Metallica even though I do like those Load albums all the same
I never realised that before but this thread put the idea in my head. The timing of it suggests so too with it being the first release they did after the GNR tour and Lars just coming out of his white leather jacket phase.
First time it struck me as well listening to the Use Your Illusions last night. Surprisingly enough given how long the Loads have been out
Was Load not them just trying to be Corrosion of Conformity? Wouldn't hear anything remotely alike with UYI's which are far superior albums.
Also, abridged versions just take away from the whole megalomaniac magnificence of it all. In the same way the Beatles and the likes used have odd and unusual songs interspersed throughout the album, I don't think.the intention was ever to write a full album of hits. Some songs are purposely non-hit/shite. Think of a song like Seamus on a Pink Floyd masterpiece like Meddle. They just threw it on there for the craic and quite simply because they could. Pure indulgence.
Yeah I'd always thought Load was Metallica does CoC and never thought anything of GnR until thinking now that it might have been their effort at doing something similar in scope to UYI along with the change in style they were going for. Couple that then with the GnR tour and we arrive at our fairly baseless speculative theory. There is probably a good reason why it has never been posited before as an explanation of anything to do with the Loads
Apparently The Memory Remains was written about Axl actually.
But yeah I'd say the Loads were more influenced by the likes of COC/AIC/Soundgarden.
Quote from: astfgyl on February 09, 2021, 07:25:12 PM
Yeah I'd always thought Load was Metallica does CoC and never thought anything of GnR until thinking now that it might have been their effort at doing something similar in scope to UYI along with the change in style they were going for. Couple that then with the GnR tour and we arrive at our fairly baseless speculative theory. There is probably a good reason why it has never been posited before as an explanation of anything to do with the Loads
Well there is the double album thing in fairness. Never thought about it that way.
I've had a soft spot for the UYI stuff for over 25 years. Went back to them again in recent months and while some is absolutely class and really brings back that feeling of a band on another level in rock history I have to say much of it is pretty weak and disjointed sounding. I think Axl wanted to go in this sort of Hard Rock Elton John direction with some full of piano but it made the rest of the band sound a bit lazy and uninspired. A lot of the songs sound to me like not everyone is on board. Compared to the blistering Appetite the whole thing ends up feeling a bit 6 or 7 outa 10.
I finally saw them live in Copenhagen a couple of years ago and I had a blast. Got drunk and air guitared the night away. No idea if it was technically a good show or not!
Quote from: Pedrito on February 09, 2021, 07:56:50 PM
Well there is the double album thing in fairness. Never thought about it that way.
It wasn't really the music as such I was on about just the idea of the sprawling double set. Like Load/Reload is their attempt at a UYI 1/2. Saying that, there was a couple of riffs here and there on UYI gave me the Load vibes and the idea. Maybe they were inspired by the scope of the GnR set
Guess it could be said of any other double set released as two separate albums and by that logic, Kid A and Amnesiac are Radiohead's stab at a Load/Reload, so yeah most likely talking shit but it keeps the thread going
Quote from: astfgyl on February 09, 2021, 08:06:46 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on February 09, 2021, 07:56:50 PM
Well there is the double album thing in fairness. Never thought about it that way.
It wasn't really the music as such I was on about just the idea of the sprawling double set. Like Load/Reload is their attempt at a UYI 1/2. Saying that, there was a couple of riffs here and there on UYI gave me the Load vibes and the idea. Maybe they were inspired by the scope of the GnR set
Guess it could be said of any other double set released as two separate albums and by that logic, Kid A and Amnesiac are Radiohead's stab at a Load/Reload, so yeah most likely talking shit but it keeps the thread going
I think in terms of scope and artistic freedom it could have been an influence on Load and Reload. Bear in mind this is the same band that hired the producer of Appetite For Destruction to sit behind the desk on And Justice For All.
The switch to the more personal style of the lyrics could be added to the case as well. I didn't know that about AJFA either so there's another one.
From anyone who was of age at the time, what way were those albums received back then? I know as a young lad I was delighted with the new songs but I was 10 or 11 so not the most discerning critic
Generally well received, but aware of the filler. Personally, I thought (and still think) that the production was a bit flat and sterile, and as time went on and singles were on constant rotation on MTV, the oversaturation became tiresome. If I never heard November Rain again I'd die happy.
Quote from: Pedrito on February 09, 2021, 07:14:02 PM
In the same way the Beatles and the likes used have odd and unusual songs interspersed throughout the album, I don't think.the intention was ever to write a full album of hits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbMSUQE36us
:laugh:
Honestly I'd sit through the 2 albums easily. Don't see what people are on about with their heart wasn't in it and the likes.
UYI 1 tracklistsing:
Right Next Door to Hell
"Dust N' Bones"
"Live and Let Die
"Don't Cry" (Original)
"Perfect Crime"
"You Ain't the First"
"Bad Obsession"
"Back Off Bitch"
9"Double Talkin' Jive"
"November Rain
"The Garden (ft. Alice Cooper)"
"Garden of Eden
"Don't Damn Me
"Bad Apples"
"Dead Horse
"Coma"
There might be 'weaker' songs but nothing shit there. When I say weak, I mean they mightn't be the absolute anthems that sold millions of singles. If we'd heard Back off Bitch on Lies we'd have been creaming ourselves for example.
UYI2:
1. Civil War" Axl Rose, Slash, Duff McKagan 7:42
2. "14 Years" Rose, Izzy Stradlin 4:21
3. "Yesterdays" Rose, West Arkeen, Del James, Billy McCloud 3:14
4. "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" (Bob Dylan cover) Bob Dylan 5:36
5. "Get in the Ring" Rose, Slash, McKagan 5:42
6. "Shotgun Blues" Rose 3:23
7. "Breakdown" Rose 7:04
8. "Pretty Tied Up" ("The Perils of Rock n' Roll Decadence") Stradlin 4:48
9. "Locomotive" ("Complicity") Rose, Slash 8:42
10. "So Fine" McKagan 4:08
11. "Estranged" Rose 9:23
12. "You Could Be Mine" Rose, Stradlin 5:43
13. "Don't Cry" (Alternate Lyrics) Rose, Stradlin 4:45
14. "My World" Rose
The alternate Don't Cry , My World(not a song) and piss take Get in the Ring probably the excess here but my god the highlights certainly make up for it. I'd prefer to see the glass mostly empty as opposed to crying over a few spilt drops here.
Civil War, Yesterdays, Knockin, Breakdown, Locomotive, Estranged, You Could be Mine all stone 11/10 rock classics.
Can't stand Knockin or Don't Cry or November Rain these days and only barely tolerated them as a young pronoun.
Used to have Estranged lumped in with those but I was wrong
Locomotive, again, seriously, what a fucking tune. That mental, messed up, off-beat rhythmed section is properly addictive.
Quote from: astfgyl on February 09, 2021, 09:59:40 PM
The switch to the more personal style of the lyrics could be added to the case as well. I didn't know that about AJFA either so there's another one.
From anyone who was of age at the time, what way were those albums received back then? I know as a young lad I was delighted with the new songs but I was 10 or 11 so not the most discerning critic
I was 14 at the time of UYI release and remember having kind of a lukewarm feelings about it. I liked it quite a lot, but still not nearly as much as Appetite. Looking at the track listings, I find around 5 songs I absolutely love, a couple I could never stomach, even as a kid, like Knocking On Heavens Door, and the bigger part is quite good, but still not in the pantheon of the greatest songs of all times. Think they got too bloated and egomaniacal for their own good, they are not musical slouches, but Queen they were not.
Appetite remains as my fave album of all times.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 09, 2021, 10:54:08 PM
Locomotive, again, seriously, what a fucking tune. That mental, messed up, off-beat rhythmed section is properly addictive.
It's such an Appetite sounding song when you think about it. The riff and rhythm. I've never heard any other band do whatever 'that' is. Pure class.
Been thinking about this whole UYI thing the whole morning. I suppose I just absolutely love them and never saw it as an Appetite vs UYI debate in any way. So Appetite for me is probably in the top 5 greatest albums ever written in the history of music. It is perfection. Nothing comes close. Everything about Appetite oozes unity. It is the gang in musical form, very much in the vein of something like London Calling. 10/10, 100/100, the alpha, the omega, the shizzle.
What I love about the UYI albums though is that they are everything that Appetite isn't. As opposed to 'the gang', those albums are a character study of one individual, or many individuals, the enigma, the creation or the person Axl Rose. Whoever he is or believed himself to be is splattered all over that record. It is like some manifestation of the psyche, some Jungian psychological journey into the recesses of his mind. If you said everything you ever thought or if people could actually read your mind, nobody would ever talk to you again. And that's what Axl Rose did on those albums I believe. He took all the shite that was inside himself and tried to recreate it on those 2 albums. And the results are beautiful and horrible, uncomfortable, nasty, fragile, romantic, weird, horrendous, sex crazed, yearning blah blah blah.
Is that indulgence? Yes. Do people get turned off by it? Of course they do. Is it ridiculous? Probably plenty of it could be called ridiculous if you choose to see it that way. All that said, there are very few albums in the history of music that have ever achieved that. I think The Wall is the one that springs to mind. Double album, Roger Waters just vomiting his childhood, his insecurities, his pain and love and all that stuff over it. I have a feeling Tommy by the Who might be something similar but I'm not familiar enough with it. Billy Corgan was probably trying to achieve something similar with Melon Collie..again an album that is all him as opposed to previous albums that were 'the band'.
Again, not an argument for or against, but more of a why. The hookers and drugs and mansions, fuck it must have been something else, but it was all falling down around him and these albums are the perfect record of that descent.
An interesting take, but not one that completely rings true to me.
A good few songs had been written and demoed around the time the band formed (Slash once said 'Don't Cry' was the first song worked on by the band, the lyrics to 'YCBM' are in the booklet for Appetite...) so it seems more like a compromise between what Axl wanted and what the others wanted.
My tracklisting would be:
Right Next Door to Hell
Dust n Bones
Don't Cry (original)
Bad Obsession
Locomotive
Yesterdays
The Garden
Civil War
Pretty Tied Up
You Could Be Mine
My World
My world? MY WORLD!? Don't Cry but yet no Estranged?! I do not want to step into your world :P
Quote from: TheRuts on February 10, 2021, 12:41:03 PM
An interesting take, but not one that completely rings true to me.
A good few songs had been written and demoed around the time the band formed (Slash once said 'Don't Cry' was the first song worked on by the band, the lyrics to 'YCBM' are in the booklet for Appetite...) so it seems more like a compromise between what Axl wanted and what the others wanted.
My tracklisting would be:
Right Next Door to Hell
Dust n Bones
Don't Cry (original)
Bad Obsession
Locomotive
Yesterdays
The Garden
Civil War
Pretty Tied Up
You Could Be Mine
My World
Yes more than likely a compromise and that's what it actually does sound like. I was flicking through a useless biography I read about Axl years ago and indeed it talks quite a bit about his obsession with the Wall and Pink Floyd. If you think about Estranged with that solo etc, the template is, of course a song like Comfortably Numb. Even the sounds of seagulls and animals at the start, the use of spoken voices in their recordings. Operation Mindcrime by Queensryche is similar. I think the UYIs are an attempt at a Wall, at least by Axl and it comes out in songs like November Rain, Estranged, Coma, Yesterdays, Don't Cry which are all very much first person songs.
Axl was working on November Rain for years, it was around in the time of Lies from what i understand but they never had the budget or ability to pull it off. It's not unusual for a band to not include songs on an album just because they have them in some way written..it wasn't ready yet. Also the band were pulling in different directions and hence they broke up without making a proper album again.
Axl writing credits: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Songs_written_by_Axl_Rose
Paints its own picture
Quote from: Pedrito on February 10, 2021, 02:11:45 PM
Quote from: TheRuts on February 10, 2021, 12:41:03 PM
An interesting take, but not one that completely rings true to me.
A good few songs had been written and demoed around the time the band formed (Slash once said 'Don't Cry' was the first song worked on by the band, the lyrics to 'YCBM' are in the booklet for Appetite...) so it seems more like a compromise between what Axl wanted and what the others wanted.
My tracklisting would be:
Right Next Door to Hell
Dust n Bones
Don't Cry (original)
Bad Obsession
Locomotive
Yesterdays
The Garden
Civil War
Pretty Tied Up
You Could Be Mine
My World
Axl was working on November Rain for years, it was around in the time of Lies from what i understand but they never had the budget or ability to pull it off. It's not unusual for a band to not include songs on an album just because they have them in some way written..it wasn't ready yet. Also the band were pulling in different directions and hence they broke up without making a proper album again.
Around before appetite.
https://youtu.be/iOflIhelV8g
From wiki:
"It is said that the reason for not putting "November Rain" on it was because they had already agreed to put "Sweet Child 'O Mine" on it and thus already had a ballad on the album "
Quote from: TheRuts on February 10, 2021, 12:41:03 PM
An interesting take, but not one that completely rings true to me.
A good few songs had been written and demoed around the time the band formed (Slash once said 'Don't Cry' was the first song worked on by the band, the lyrics to 'YCBM' are in the booklet for Appetite...)
And probably record company input on appetite. The most dangerous band in the world!
https://youtu.be/q_TM10doKG4
That's cool to see. He look lean and mean there.
The Paris gig that was on video during the illusions tour was brilliant. Even the Warren Beattie rant before Doubje Talking Jive. That song is like a scalpel .
Quote from: Pedrito on February 10, 2021, 06:09:00 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 09, 2021, 10:54:08 PM
Locomotive, again, seriously, what a fucking tune. That mental, messed up, off-beat rhythmed section is properly addictive.
It's such an Appetite sounding song when you think about it. The riff and rhythm. I've never heard any other band do whatever 'that' is. Pure class.
It's not quite the same thing, but the rhythm changes in Locomotive are somewhat reminiscent of Black Dog:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBuub4Xe1mw
And speaking of Zeppelin in a thread about double albums, well, as excellent as The Wall and The White Album genuinely are, neither of them hold a candle to Physical Graffiti.
AND speaking of classic rock more generally, I've always considered this stormer to be the ultimate precursor to the G'n'R sound:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6MUYPT2JIw
Bit off topic, but there's this interesting video of Fenriz talking about Uriah Heep, there's a bit where he reckons they set the blueprint for the GNR sound, bit long but an entertaining watch, if anything just for the other very non-black metal musicians on stage with him reacting to him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCZ4G5mMdk4
That's because he's a smart lad and realises that all music owes a debt to the past. You can tell a man by his friends. You can tell a proper musician by his music collection, and his respect for his influences.
Ended up lashing on The Spaghetti Incident in the car this evening and it was only a short spin so only the first tunes but it wasn't too bad. Had Appetite For Destruction on earlier and yeah that is the gold standard for sure. This thread is after putting me on a bit of a GnR buzz.
Anyway, what's the story with Lies? I've never heard it, not even on youtube. Is there a reason it doesn't get talked about much or never did with the lads I knew who were into the band. Is it like a proper album or what is it?
Lies is fantastic. It's an EP and has a mix of stuff on it from live to acoustic and it has some of their finest material on it. One in a Million and Patience are phenomenal and bring me back to being a kid.
Agreed, Lies is deadly, as is Live Era.
Quote from: astfgyl on February 11, 2021, 10:42:55 PM
Ended up lashing on The Spaghetti Incident in the car this evening and it was only a short spin so only the first tunes but it wasn't too bad. Had Appetite For Destruction on earlier and yeah that is the gold standard for sure. This thread is after putting me on a bit of a GnR buzz.
Anyway, what's the story with Lies? I've never heard it, not even on youtube. Is there a reason it doesn't get talked about much or never did with the lads I knew who were into the band. Is it like a proper album or what is it?
You have to get Lies. The version of you're crazy is brilliant. As mentioned previously One in a million is a classic. It's like a diary.
Reckless life is pure fury and is full of piss and vinegar.
I remember Patience from when I was a young lad but that's as far as I know of it. Once I have The Spaghetti Incident done I'll try it out so. I remember it going 2nd hand in the local shite music shop for years and no one bought it so I took that as a review. Hopefully my loss it will be a new GnR album for me.
It's great. Their first, 'live' (2 originals and 2 covers recorded live in studio with crowd noise dubbed in) EP, plus 4 new acoustic recordings. Got a bit of controversy for the lyrics to One In A Million, to the extent that it was omitted from their recent Appetite reissue boxset, total woke-era copout there.
Metal Warfare UYI I & II sing-along zoom beers session anyone???
Don't even sing just do the fuck of a Jerusalem dance but with UYI 1 and 2 and not a word sang or spoken through the full set
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 11, 2021, 11:36:13 PM
Metal Warfare UYI I & II sing-along zoom beers session anyone???
Haha class. Better than the fuckin zoom calls I'm currently doing
I've played both now a few times in the last few days.
Where UYI I suffers most is the relative streak of piss it ends on: out of the last six songs, four of them are absolutely disposable. From November Rain, jump straight to Garden of Eden, and from there skip straight to Coma. 20 minutes of lesser versions of better songs that make the tail end of the disc a real slog to get through; chucked. But from UYI II, honestly, I think I'd only remove My World, which is just a rotten scuttery fart of a "song" at the very tail end of an hour of pure class. It's not that I particularly like Knockin' On Heaven's Door, but I guess it's just become such a classic part of the G'n'R canon, that it's kind of an obligation that they have a cover of it on an album somewhere.
I'd find it hard to disagree with any of that. I think instead of looking for everything to be perfect on albums, a more realistic approach is to ask 'what works really well?' and both albums are stuffed with absolute once in a generation hits, alongside other really top quality stuff. The odd dud shouldn't be taking up anyone's time. Just skip on. UY2 as you say Chris...just supreme.
Adding to the Lies appreciation above..yes, yes, yes.
Going to give Lies the examination tonight. Just at the end of The Spaghetti Incident. The drive for cans will get me to the finish.
Have to say I enjoyed most of it. Time hasn't been unkind to it and it's better than I remember.
Was thinking again about the Metallica parallels and after their double sets, both released an album of covers as well.
I'm sticking on UYI2 for the Friday night buzz but there's several songs on it I've never really liked and I always see it as a real album of highs and lows. Obviously My World is a travesty but I could do without Get In The Ring, Shotgun Blues, Pretty Tied Up as well.
How is Axl generally viewed as a lyricist? I quite like following along with the tracks and it's not just whatever fluff he first thinks off unlike many frontmen of that era.
Edit.
Knockin is a pain in the hole of a song too obviously
Ah Pretty Tied Up is deadly, easily top 5 on the album.
You Could Be Mine
Yesterdays
November Rain
Civil War
Don't Cry
Coma
Estranged
That should have been Use Your Illusion. Release the other stuff as a b sides /rarities thing.
Quote from: Grim Reality on February 12, 2021, 11:05:10 PM
You Could Be Mine
Yesterdays
November Rain
Civil War
Don't Cry
Coma
Estranged
That should have been Use Your Illusion. Release the other stuff as a b sides /rarities thing.
A 7 song double album? Ye wha?
Quote from: Pedrito on February 13, 2021, 11:46:41 AM
A 7 song double album? Ye wha?
I'd just about take 7 songs out.
How do the reissues sound, they were remastered I believe? I found the originals to have a very 'dry', sterile sound, especially compared to Appetite For Destruction.
I don't have the originals but the reissues still have the dry, sterile mix you remember. None of the depth or grit of that which went before.