I was listening to the recent Sinister album there which is pretty decent, anyway, decided to read up on them a tad only to discover the shocking amount of people that have went through the band over the years. Do people care about lineup changes as drastic as this? I mean if Lars Ulrich was the only original member in Metallica would anyone give a shit about the band?
I think when it's not one of the main staple bands from a given genre it doesn't matter so much to me. I bought that new Sinister too, didn't give it a second thought that the line up is so different these days, still sounds like Sinister.
I don't think I'd like to buy , say, a Paradise Lost album ,with one original member left.
A mate mentioned the new Sanctuary album in the pipeline and that will be a real litmus test without Dane. I'm pretty sure though I'm going to dig it as the replacement guy is well capable. If they wanted someone to ape Dane's voice they could have just tried to get the guy from Communic.
Suppose I'd check to see if the core sound and aesthetic of a band is the same and if so, yeah I'd stay on board I'd say.
Just not PL !
I find it interesting, especially when bands are left with no original members or original songwriters. If it's one guy with a revolving door of hired hands then I don't really bat an eyelid but I find it interesting when you have the likes of Metal Church, where depending on when you saw them live, you could have seen 100% different line ups. Or the likes of Possessed who have become their own tribute act.
Never actually checked out Possessed's album from last year, but it got decent reviews, and Jeff is, for all intents and purposes, a founding member. Do you think they should perform under a different name? Say, I dunno, Para-Possessed? :P :abbath:
It's an interesting one. It's also something that's both more prevalent and more acceptable in metal than in any other genre I can think of. There's probably an answer to that in there involving what a massive collaborative machine of intensity your average touring metal band is, where parts fall out and get replaced every now and then and the machine does another run of fresh albums.
Mayhem are a decent example of a band whose run of albums has benefitted from member refreshes every few years. They've not undergone any massively earth shattering sonic changes, but those albums are all individually favoured by different groups of fans, and they all benefit from that member shuffle that makes them a bit more of a talking point. I personally have fuck all interest in Esoteric Warfare/Daemon's brand of roided up, beefy black metal which I largely attribute to Teloch, for example. Even the guy's (massively entertaining) YouTube seems to constantly betray that he has no time for atmospheres. But that's cool.
Certain bands live reputations are all over the shop because of the line up changes. Not uncommon to have Cradle of Filth fans clueing each other in that they're quite decent live again now, no they're still shite etc. A lot of metal bands you wouldn't question it, unless you're super into them. The logo and maybe one central figure's enough to get them by. I enjoy a bit of Megadeth but not enough to go comparing their members. If I saw them at a festival next year I couldn't tell you whose there, other than Dave.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 20, 2020, 04:04:04 PM
Never actually checked out Possessed's album from last year, but it got decent reviews, and Jeff is, for all intents and purposes, a founding member. Do you think they should perform under a different name? Say, I dunno, Para-Possessed? :P :abbath:
I'm going to be the bigger man and walk away from that.
Quote from: Anton Arcane on November 20, 2020, 07:35:41 PM
I'm going to be the bigger man and walk away from that.
Nice. Intentional or not; nice. :laugh: :abbath: :abbath:
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Cross the Styx was the only Sinister album i actually ever had,they've 14 albums now!.
Are they one of those bands that no one really gives a fuck about,but somehow they are still a bit relevant off the back of the being around in the early 90s DM scene?
They had a girl on vocals the one and only time i saw them live,(in Dorans).From what i can remember they were solid enough.
Yeah, I was at that gig too. Nile and Gorerotted was it? I remember thinking it was cool that your one could growl so viciously (and she was good looking if I remember correctly too) but I never bought anything by them. They seemed a bit ordinary.
This is going to turn into a discussion about Sepultura isn't it? ::)
Iron maiden have done alright with line up changes, although they're kept constant for the last 20 years.
It was certainly very gentlemanly of them to allow Janick to stick around.
Quote from: Airneanach on November 22, 2020, 02:30:51 PM
It was certainly very gentlemanly of them to allow Janick to stick around.
I read an interview with him recently where he said that Steve Harris actually talked him into sticking around because at the time he didn't see any point in being there.
He was right.
Vocalist changes are usually the worst with a handful of exceptions like Horna and Cannibal Corpse (not better than the original but a worthy replacement) are the first that come to mind.
Then after that is major song writers like say Paul Barker. Rio Grande Blood was great but since that the band has just gone from bad to worse.
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My biggest disappointment over Slayer calling it a day is that their parting shot was that abortion repentless album - I would really have liked an album where Gary Holt contributed. I know most say they should have packed it in after Jeff died but I got to see them live 3 times after that which I was always thankful for.
Quote from: Bogmetaller on November 24, 2020, 05:38:59 PM
My biggest disappointment over Slayer calling it a day is that their parting shot was that abortion repentless album - I would really have liked an album where Gary Holt contributed. I know most say they should have packed it in after Jeff died but I got to see them live 3 times after that which I was always thankful for.
Were they ever going to release something that was going to blow us all away before the called it a day?.All the albums after Seasons have a couple of good tracks but by in large Slayers studio output for the last 25 plus years has been largely filler with a some quality.
Slayer has always been about the live aspect over the last 20 years for me,glad they hung around tbh.
Quote from: Paul keohane on November 24, 2020, 06:00:24 PM
Quote from: Bogmetaller on November 24, 2020, 05:38:59 PM
My biggest disappointment over Slayer calling it a day is that their parting shot was that abortion repentless album - I would really have liked an album where Gary Holt contributed. I know most say they should have packed it in after Jeff died but I got to see them live 3 times after that which I was always thankful for.
Were they ever going to release something that was going to blow us all away before the called it a day?.All the albums after Seasons have a couple of good tracks but buy in large Slayers studio output for the last 25 plus years has been largely filler with a some quality.
Slayer has always been about the live aspect over the last 20 years for me,glad they hung around tbh.
You're right but if you take the songs that are quality you have some of the staples of the live set. Disciple, jihad, dittohead are amongst my favourite slayer songs. If they had one more album and only had 3 or 4 songs worth anything with Holt fully involved then we'd know that was it. Part of me feels like it was a missed opportunity tbh. And repentless is such a shite note to end on.
I think Kerry King, Gary Holt, Paul Bostaph and Phil Anselmo are putting something together so you'll kind of get your wish.
South Of Heaven and Seasons In The Abyss are all the Slayer I need but each to their own.
I have to say i do loose interest in bands that are basically a revolving door around 1 member. Megadeth for example.
What of Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow? 8)
There's this Swedish band called Sonic Syndicate that got played on Planet Rock that's a sort of synch pop rock band (or however you would describe it)
https://youtu.be/JhaAGhdtPOc
It turns out they only have one orginal member and he wasn't even a major song writer. When they started they were a much heavier screaming band
https://youtu.be/T9vqjF-Hz-4
Seems a few of the founding members formed another band called The Unguided. But they for some reason legally can't play their own songs they wrote live, and the current line up of sonic syndicate probably don't play them either cause its too drastic a change.
Possibly the strongest case for a band changing their name when too many members leave.