As a continuation of The Donald and Gemma earlier, amongst all the other shit that seems to be going wrong, even leaving aside Covid, the world is indeed in a state of chassis.
Hit the road soyboy
Yep we are all about to kick off in one direction or the other
Sure jaysis there's an awful oul stretch in the evenins
Paul McGrath, Ireland's first black alcoholic, is back on d'telly.
Polish protests against the tightening of abortion laws are getting fairly hairy. Lots of red and black spastic flags being waved about. Quelle surprise.
I despise abortion but I accept it for rape, incest or risk to the mother.
Have these cunts ever heard of pulling out? Or taking an auld tablet? Fuck sake.
Aren't the protests because of a ruling that abortions in cases of foetal defects have now been made illegal? In which case, fuck sake, that's got nothing to do with either pulling out or taking the pill. Strange too; all other signs indicate you'd be well on for a moderate eugenics program ;)
That's one factor, but as you well know, 99% of abortions are due to sexual irresponsibility, all other reasons are minuscule yet held aloft by screechers as THE reason for abortion. If you believe the protests are about foetal defects (in most cases it's not grounds for infanticide if you ask me), then you are attaching yourself to your ideology and not thinking.
I am not in any way religious. It's just abhorrent to me.
According to that poll in 2014, almost 70% of Poles are against abortion.
I don't get the last claim. Oh because I'm a Nazi! I forgot. Thanks for pulling me up on that.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 27, 2020, 01:21:13 PM
99% of abortions are due to sexual irresponsibility
Not in Poland. The protests are in Poland. Context...
Why would it be any different in Poland?
Do you have something solid to back that up?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 27, 2020, 04:24:01 PM
Why would it be any different in Poland?
Do you have something solid to back that up?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1111281/poland-legal-abortions-number-by-reason/
But that is useless in this context as it contains no data for abortions undertaken abroad, which is where the vast majority of polish women terminate pregnancies.
Edit : I think I misunderstood you to a point.
But do you really think these protests are about foetal defects now being rejected as grounds for abortion? The signs being held up by protesters seem to suggest that it's the ban on abortion as a whole that's drawing their ire.
Quote from: Trev on October 27, 2020, 04:28:33 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 27, 2020, 01:21:13 PM
99% of abortions are due to sexual irresponsibility
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 27, 2020, 04:24:01 PM
Do you have something solid to back that up?
OK, 99% is a figure I pulled out of my arse but the vast majority are because of sexual irresponsibility (for want of a better term)
This is a quite in-depth analysis
https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2005/reasons-us-women-have-abortions-quantitative-and-qualitative-perspectives
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 27, 2020, 05:04:31 PM
But that is useless in this context as it contains no data for abortions undertaken abroad, which is where the vast majority of polish women terminate pregnancies.
Edit : I think I misunderstood you to a point.
But do you really think these protests are about foetal defects now being rejected as grounds for abortion? The signs being held up by protesters seem to suggest that it's the ban on abortion as a whole that's drawing their ire.
I'd safely say they're protesting both the new law and the fact abortion isn't available.
Ya.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 27, 2020, 12:50:30 PM
`I despise abortion but I accept it for rape, incest or risk to the mother.
Have these cunts ever heard of pulling out? Or taking an auld tablet? Fuck sake.
Ever hear of condoms breaking?
Ever hear of people getting pregnant even when contraception is used?
Ever read to the end of that article you posted where it says that abortions among poor people are on the rise, obviously because they can't afford to "take an auld tablet"?
More riots in the States. Fella armed with a knife, refused to put it away and was approaching the cops. Even the fella's mother was telling him to drop the knife. But sher, let's have a riot anyway.
Whatever you think about abortion, here is the be all end all for me: its the woman's choice. How do I come to that conclusion? I put myself in their shoes and ask whether I would like a law in place telling me what I can or can't have in my body.
A lot of these Conservative types are all about "muh freedom" but when it comes to our bodies they want to rule our choices.
I'm far from a woke liberal type either.
Quote from: Emphyrio on October 28, 2020, 02:56:21 PM
More riots in the States. Fella armed with a knife, refused to put it away and was approaching the cops. Even the fella's mother was telling him to drop the knife. But sher, let's have a riot anyway.
Just read the story there. I often wonder why when a fella has a knife, why not the taser instead of the pistol? 10 or 12 shots also sounds excessive. Maybe a couple to the legs might have softened his cough enough? Cops need to cop on a bit and stop fanning the flames. If he had a gun fair enough, but he didn't so surely something non-lethal would have done the trick? Edit: Just saw the quote from his family about why not the taser after writing that.
I'm against the violent protests btw and I have a feeling that half the protesters don't even truly know why they are kicking off and just want to express rage at someone or something.
Tazers are v unreliable and usually only reserved for unarmed. Can you imagine trying to aim a tazer at a maniac running towards you with a knife? The barb has to be fairly accurate. There are loads of videos online of tazers having no effect on these big lads.
Have seen a few of those videos to be fair. Maybe few shots of the pistol into the legs or feet or the like? I think anyone has the right to defend themselves against someone running at them with a knife, just that given the situation at hand, the cops might have to have a few non-lethal options to hand as well. Oul shotgun with rock salt or something.. rubber bullet gatling guns.. I dunno there must be some option. Suppose the officers can't be fully blamed for using force in exactly the way they have been trained to.
Quote from: Giggles on October 28, 2020, 02:37:15 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 27, 2020, 12:50:30 PM
`I despise abortion but I accept it for rape, incest or risk to the mother.
Have these cunts ever heard of pulling out? Or taking an auld tablet? Fuck sake.
Ever hear of condoms breaking?
Ever hear of people getting pregnant even when contraception is used?
Ever read to the end of that article you posted where it says that abortions among poor people are on the rise, obviously because they can't afford to "take an auld tablet"?
Morning after pills are available for the first scenario.
If you can't afford to have a child or take a tablet, then either practice safe sex in other ways or keep it in your pants.
This is basic stuff.
Quote from: Blackout on October 28, 2020, 03:09:18 PM
Whatever you think about abortion, here is the be all end all for me: its the woman's choice. How do I come to that conclusion? I put myself in their shoes and ask whether I would like a law in place telling me what I can or can't have in my body.
A lot of these Conservative types are all about "muh freedom" but when it comes to our bodies they want to rule our choices.
I'm far from a woke liberal type either.
I don' t believe it's 'their body', but that's a philosophical debate and it's my position that one is sovereign over ones body at conception, despite being dependant on the mother. You clearly disagree and that's fine, I can see why some, probably most, do.
Quote from: astfgyl on October 28, 2020, 04:21:15 PM
Have seen a few of those videos to be fair. Maybe few shots of the pistol into the legs or feet or the like? I think anyone has the right to defend themselves against someone running at them with a knife, just that given the situation at hand, the cops might have to have a few non-lethal options to hand as well. Oul shotgun with rock salt or something.. rubber bullet gatling guns.. I dunno there must be some option. Suppose the officers can't be fully blamed for using force in exactly the way they have been trained to.
I'm surprised no one has thought of this before for the knife wielding maniacs so I'm going to patent it in the morning.
A giant magnet built into the cop car. A rare earth fucker.... :abbath:
Quote from: astfgyl on October 28, 2020, 03:19:12 PM
Just read the story there. I often wonder why when a fella has a knife, why not the taser instead of the pistol? 1
After smoking PCP for a lot of people tasing them has about as much effect as hitting them with a feather duster. As mentioned already some people also just have a natural resistance to it.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 28, 2020, 05:40:45 PM
Quote from: Giggles on October 28, 2020, 02:37:15 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 27, 2020, 12:50:30 PM
`I despise abortion but I accept it for rape, incest or risk to the mother.
Have these cunts ever heard of pulling out? Or taking an auld tablet? Fuck sake.
Ever hear of condoms breaking?
Ever hear of people getting pregnant even when contraception is used?
Ever read to the end of that article you posted where it says that abortions among poor people are on the rise, obviously because they can't afford to "take an auld tablet"?
Morning after pills are available for the first scenario.
If you can't afford to have a child or take a tablet, then either practice safe sex in other ways or keep it in your pants.
This is basic stuff.
And is every woman able to take a morning after pill with absolutely no known bad side effects whatsoever?
Or the daily pill for that matter?
And I suppose it's well known that 99% of condom breakages are discovered the moment they happen yeah?
And what about scenario 2?
Quote from: mickO))) on October 28, 2020, 07:24:12 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on October 28, 2020, 03:19:12 PM
Just read the story there. I often wonder why when a fella has a knife, why not the taser instead of the pistol? 1
After smoking PCP for a lot of people tasing them has about as much effect as hitting them with a feather duster. As mentioned already some people also just have a natural resistance to it.
Yeah but the retard who is out of his mind on drugs and attacking the cops with a knife is the victim! What are you struggling to understand??
When does personal accountability get brought in to the conversation? Yeah, you're poor and possibly oppressed, if you want to take that view, but you live in a country where the police will fucking shoot you if you act like a stupid, aggressive cunt. It's not exactly rocket science...
Quote from: Eoin McLove on October 28, 2020, 07:41:56 PM
Quote from: mickO))) on October 28, 2020, 07:24:12 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on October 28, 2020, 03:19:12 PM
Just read the story there. I often wonder why when a fella has a knife, why not the taser instead of the pistol? 1
After smoking PCP for a lot of people tasing them has about as much effect as hitting them with a feather duster. As mentioned already some people also just have a natural resistance to it.
Yeah but the retard who is out of his mind on drugs and attacking the cops with a knife is the victim! What are you struggling to understand??
When does personal accountability get brought in to the conversation? Yeah, you're poor and possibly oppressed, if you want to take that view, but you live in a country where the police will fucking shoot you if you act like a stupid, aggressive cunt. It's not exactly rocket science...
I don't think shooting him is out of order personally. I also agree with the assertion that he has to bear the responsibility for running at cops with guns while wielding a knife. The only reason I suggest shooting him in the legs or giving him several tasers is to stop giving ammunition to the race protesters, given how tense the situation is there at the minute. A bit of the non lethal type of apprehension might calm it down a bit. In other times the same fella gets shot with no fanfare, for better or worse. You can be sure we'd hear fuck all about it over here anyway.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on October 28, 2020, 07:41:56 PM
Quote from: mickO))) on October 28, 2020, 07:24:12 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on October 28, 2020, 03:19:12 PM
Just read the story there. I often wonder why when a fella has a knife, why not the taser instead of the pistol? 1
After smoking PCP for a lot of people tasing them has about as much effect as hitting them with a feather duster. As mentioned already some people also just have a natural resistance to it.
Yeah but the retard who is out of his mind on drugs and attacking the cops with a knife is the victim! What are you struggling to understand??
When does personal accountability get brought in to the conversation? Yeah, you're poor and possibly oppressed, if you want to take that view, but you live in a country where the police will fucking shoot you if you act like a stupid, aggressive cunt. It's not exactly rocket science...
Not sure what you are talking about I responded to a post about tasers I never said the cops were right or wrong to shoot the guy. I merely gave a reason why in a some cases tasers are not reliable.
I know, I was being ironic.
Also, I should clarify, I'm not saying the cops are right to kill someone even in that scenario. My point is that if you act aggressively and threateningly towards the cops in the US, there is enough evidence to suggest that you are likely to end up filled with lead. When do we start demanding a bit of cop on from these muppets? We can do that while also demanding a higher standard from the police. It's all well and good being somewhat justified in your grave, but wouldn't it be better to be alive? I'd argue that it is.
Quote from: Giggles on October 28, 2020, 07:32:17 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 28, 2020, 05:40:45 PM
Quote from: Giggles on October 28, 2020, 02:37:15 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 27, 2020, 12:50:30 PM
`I despise abortion but I accept it for rape, incest or risk to the mother.
Have these cunts ever heard of pulling out? Or taking an auld tablet? Fuck sake.
Ever hear of condoms breaking?
Ever hear of people getting pregnant even when contraception is used?
Ever read to the end of that article you posted where it says that abortions among poor people are on the rise, obviously because they can't afford to "take an auld tablet"?
Morning after pills are available for the first scenario.
If you can't afford to have a child or take a tablet, then either practice safe sex in other ways or keep it in your pants.
This is basic stuff.
And is every woman able to take a morning after pill with absolutely no known bad side effects whatsoever?
Or the daily pill for that matter?
And I suppose it's well known that 99% of condom breakages are discovered the moment they happen yeah?
And what about scenario 2?
Look lad, without getting into an endless back and forth, it's hard to imagine discovering a broken condom much later than, well, immediately. If pregnancy is a no-no, I'd imagine most ladies would take the side effects or possible side effects over a bun in the oven, although as you'd rightly point out that's conjecture. I'd wager it's a safe enough bet though.
The second one is trickier of course, and it's how I ended up with my young lad as it happens. It doesn't confer any fault, but generally speaking it's extremely difficult to get pregnant on the pill unless days or skipped or what have you, although I'm not an expert.
Regardless, I do not personally believe that it justifies what I consider to be infanticide. Of course, you may not consider it to be so, and you are entitled to that view. Most people bar my grandmother think I'm a crank for holding that view. I guess it boils down to two core questions. One, at what point does human life begin and two, whether or not, in certain cases, it's justified to end 'life' ante-partum for a whatever reason. I find it abhorrent to do so in any case, but I'm willing to accept that the damage done to a pregnancy carried to term from rape or incest would be tantamount to the destruction of the mothers life. Or if the child Ik would have no quality of life whatsoever because of catastrophic genetic abnormalities or what have you.
I'm not the type to bomb abortion clinics (although I cannot abide those planned parenthood cunts), but it's always stuck in my craw, ever since I was a young lad.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on October 28, 2020, 08:06:29 PM
I know, I was being ironic.
Also, I should clarify, I'm not saying the cops are right to kill someone even in that scenario. My point is that there is more than enough evidence that if you act aggressively and threateningly towards the cops in the US, there is enough evidence to suggest that you are likely to end up filled with lead. When do we start demanding a bit of cop on from these muppets? We can do that while also demanding a higher standard from the police. It's all well and good being somewhat justified in your grave, but wouldn't it be better to be alive? I'd argue that it is.
Yeah I didn't catch the irony. The joy of text.
Good points there and close to my own thoughts on it.
Not sure how a sentence like "Yeah but the retard who is out of his mind on drugs and attacking the cops with a knife is the victim!" could be taken as being anything other than ironic :laugh:
Quote from: Eoin McLove on October 28, 2020, 08:06:29 PM
I know, I was being ironic.
Also, I should clarify, I'm not saying the cops are right to kill someone even in that scenario. My point is that there is more than enough evidence that if you act aggressively and threateningly towards the cops in the US, there is enough evidence to suggest that you are likely to end up filled with lead. When do we start demanding a bit of cop on from these muppets? We can do that while also demanding a higher standard from the police. It's all well and good being somewhat justified in your grave, but wouldn't it be better to be alive? I'd argue that it is.
I completely agree I purposely didn't state my opinion in my original post on what happened because i have no interest anymore in arguing with people online especially on music forums.
Another incident happened about two months ago (can't remember where it was maybe LA) where a mother called the cops on her son because he was threatening her, the cop came to the door of the house and when he tried to enter the son came out wielding a knife chased the cop down the street then the cop turned about 3 doors down from the suspects house and shot him. I saw a full video showing the entire thing. As soon as people started reporting on it the riots started up again.
Cops bad, scumbags good.
IRONY
:P
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 28, 2020, 08:07:14 PM
it's hard to imagine discovering a broken condom much later than, well, immediately.
Why, just because it's never happened to you? So therefore couldn't possibly happen to anybody else on the planet?
QuoteI'd imagine most ladies would take the side effects or possible side effects over a bun in the oven
The point I was trying to make is that the pill is
not safe for some women to take. Their docs
won't prescribe them if that's the case. So for them, it is literally
not an option to "take an auld pill". The pill is not a 100% guarantee either by the way.
QuoteLook lad, without getting into an endless back and forth
If you didn't want a back and forth then maybe you shouldn't have derailed the thread with your views on abortion which you've clung onto since you were a young lad, of which nobody asked for, calling people who have had an abortion "cunts", and leaving yourself open to criticism by pulling bogus stats out of your hole. I don't care if you're pro or anti abortion. I'm not trying to change your views, I'm just pointing out that you quite clearly are not as informed on the matter as you might like to believe that you are, evident from your use of phrases such as "I'd imagine" and "I'm no expert".
QuoteI despise abortion but I accept it for rape, incest or risk to the mother.
You'll accept it? You're not in a position to choose. It's not your fucking choice to make and it never will be.
That's not very giggly.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on October 28, 2020, 08:34:34 PM
Not sure how a sentence like "Yeah but the retard who is out of his mind on drugs and attacking the cops with a knife is the victim!" could be taken as being anything other than ironic :laugh:
Actually yeah, fair point. The old aphasia is kicking in strong on me this evening!
Quote from: Giggles on October 28, 2020, 09:13:59 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 28, 2020, 08:07:14 PM
it's hard to imagine discovering a broken condom much later than, well, immediately.
Why, just because it's never happened to you? So therefore couldn't possibly happen to anybody else on the planet?
QuoteI'd imagine most ladies would take the side effects or possible side effects over a bun in the oven
The point I was trying to make is that the pill is not safe for some women to take. Their docs won't prescribe them if that's the case. So for them, it is literally not an option to "take an auld pill". The pill is not a 100% guarantee either by the way.
QuoteLook lad, without getting into an endless back and forth
If you didn't want a back and forth then maybe you shouldn't have derailed the thread with your views on abortion which you've clung onto since you were a young lad, of which nobody asked for, calling people who have had an abortion "cunts", and leaving yourself open to criticism by pulling bogus stats out of your hole. I don't care if you're pro or anti abortion. I'm not trying to change your views, I'm just pointing out that you quite clearly are not as informed on the matter as you might like to believe that you are, evident from your use of phrases such as "I'd imagine" and "I'm no expert".
QuoteI despise abortion but I accept it for rape, incest or risk to the mother.
You'll accept it? You're not in a position to choose. It's not your fucking choice to make and it never will be.
Derailed the thread? I think I made a relevant point, as it relates to the Polish protests.
I never said the pill was a guarantee but it certainly helps.
I fail to see how one couldn't notice a broken condominium unless they were legally blind. Even so, your argument is weak and infantile, 'it couldn't happen to anybody else on the planet ever'? My eight year old talks like that. You are taking extreme examples and ignoring the fact the majority of cases boil down to an 'inconvenience' of one sort or another. You can see how infrequently the pill fails when used correctly. Tiny fractions of a %. https://helloclue.com/articles/sex/why-does-hormonal-birth-control-fail
No one has asked me, you or anyone else for any of their views on fuck all on this forum, so you can pull your head clean out of your hole with that imbecilic statement. If I think abortion is a cunts game on principle, and that causes you offence, pity about you. I'm as entitled to my view as much as anyone else is. Yes, the 99% remark wasn't accurate, hence I reviewed and revised it. What more do you want? In common speech, 99% is an emphatic 'almost all', as opposed to the results of an empirical study, this you're aware of, and it's hardly worth the effort arguing over.
Yes, I accept abortion in the cases I specified. It's my view that it should not and cannot be a 'woman's' choice as it's a sovereign body being destroyed which does not belong to them. You don't agree? Perfect, away you go, but lad 'it's not your fucking choice and never will be'...that's a cringeworthy, empty retort. Motherhood and adoption. There's a couple of choices for you.
G'luck.
Historically, a lot of - if not all - of the societal problem around undesired pregnancy is the undeniable fact that there has been almost no humane, community-based support for the mothers-to-be, regardless of their situation, and certainly not from those who have been most vocal in wanting to limit women's options. In a sense, for all their moral high-ground approach (and I actually do ultimately grant them the "moral" high-ground), the pro-life movement made its bed by focusing too heavily on the unborn child and not heavily enough on the mother. That's a slight generalization, but only very slight; I was raised born-again Christian, so I have lots and lots of experience of pro-life literature, videos, etc., etc. Fact of the matter is, the pro-life movement didn't show themselves to be militantly pro-active when it came to protecting and nurturing unwanted children or single-parent families. Not just protecting them financially, before the anti-welfare voices chime in, but protecting them within the community from stigma, by vocally speaking out against the stigmas. That was impossible for them, since they were, in large party, affiliated directly with the trains of thought which had created those stigmas.
So, they can ring the sovereign life bell all they like, and existentially I tend to agree with them on that, but life isn't about absolutes, life is about doing whatever the fuck needs doing just to keep trying to get along in whatever environment you find yourself thrown into at birth. Those coming from the pro-life side of things, ironically, were party to that environment being hostile to many, many women who found themselves pregnant without wishing to be. I think things in Ireland, Poland, Italy, all traditionally conservative nations, would be very different if, historically, the pro-life movement had been able to honestly, hand on the heart, say to young pregnant girls; "There is a whole community here to support you and who will be with you and your child, whether you decide to keep it or put it up for adoption; we've got your back, we're here for you. That child is going to have everything it needs in life, whatever you decide."
Like fuck.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 29, 2020, 09:35:23 AM
Historically, a lot of - if not all - of the societal problem around undesired pregnancy is the undeniable fact that there has been almost no humane, community-based support for the mothers-to-be, regardless of their situation,
When you say this, what comes to mind is a tribe in the Amazon. Is there any modern society where this is a viable option?
Quote from: Emphyrio on October 29, 2020, 10:06:36 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 29, 2020, 09:35:23 AM
Historically, a lot of - if not all - of the societal problem around undesired pregnancy is the undeniable fact that there has been almost no humane, community-based support for the mothers-to-be, regardless of their situation,
When you say this, what comes to mind is a tribe in the Amazon. Is there any modern society where this is a viable option?
Are you asking if there is a modern society that doesn't have a history of institutional abuse of children and stigmatization of single mothers??
No, I'm asking if there is any modern society that has community based upbringing of children?
Antifa and BLM offer great childcare services.
That's an excellent and emotive point.
It's well documented the suffering of women (taking Ireland as an example) who had unwanted pregnancies in the (not so distant) past. A combination of ignorance, lack of any form of contraception and the subsequent ostracism and barbarism is a really ugly chapter, shameful in all respects. I had a Greek flatmate on Erasmus who thought I was on the bam when I told her that johnnies couldn't be bought legally until the 90's, the divorce laws etc.
Anyway whenever I get into this debate with anyone I end up pissing people off and getting wound up, called a crank and a screwball so I'll leave it.
Quote from: Emphyrio on October 29, 2020, 10:23:37 AM
No, I'm asking if there is any modern society that has community based upbringing of children?
No, but that's not what I was talking about. I was talking about community-based, or community integrated, if that's clearer, support for "unwanted" children and their mothers. Historically, in the west, both were either pushed out of their communities or dressed up, if possible, to be something else.
But what would that entail exactly? Forgetting about the stigma and all that as things have improved quite a bit, in fairness. Are there many unwanted children nowadays?
No, there aren't. Contraception of all sorts, plus abortion, has seen to that. Today, its only value as an argument is in discussing why there isn't more support for the pro-life movement; it's now little more than a tragic historical curiosity, that those who were against abortion were also those who made it the most appealing way out.
Ah yes, now I'm with you.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 29, 2020, 10:38:12 AM
No, there aren't. Contraception of all sorts, plus abortion, has seen to that. Today, its only value as an argument is in discussing why there isn't more support for the pro-life movement; it's now little more than a tragic historical curiosity, that those who were against abortion were also those who made it the most appealing way out.
Actually, that's an uncharacteristically rose-tinted view of things from me; precisely in those countries where there is a push-back against abortion, you do still have the same stigmas about single-parenthood, etc. Poland, for example, having one of the most fervent catholic populations in Europe. And in the US, it's well documented that planned parenthood pro-life clinics have a very poor record for follow-up support of new mothers they have managed to talk/emotionally blackmail out of (place yourselves where you like on how to interpret what it is they do) pregnancy termination. And again, these people tend to be Republicans, who tend to be anti-welfare, harsh on maternity leave, etc., etc. They have in their heads that life must not be terminated, but once life arrives, then they're suddenly fatalistic about God's mysterious plans, while at the same time critical of anything that isn't the heaven-ordained configuration of the nuclear family; they're at the other dogmatic extreme from the supposed BLM take on the nuclear family which you all intuitively cast aside as garbage.
I don't think that being more than a bit sceptical about BLM's objectives regarding the family structure necessarily puts anyone in the same camp as the Christian far right who, as you point out, are equally nutty on the matter. There is a massive area in the middle (as always) where these problems should be getting solved.
Of course not. But in criticizing the supposed BLM position ("dismantle the nuclear family") we can have a tendency to gloss over the sheer prevalence and power enjoyed in the US and elsewhere by the opposite polar position ("nuclear family or gtfo")