Just watched the Lollapalooza doc. I was enjoying it right up until about the last 20mins.

The whole doc constantly touches on the festival's internal struggle to stay true to its alternative roots and not sell out, and the criticisms they get for going in either direction, or the results of going either way. This is one of the most interesting parts of the doc.

At the end though it then just casually and quietly jettisons that whole argument and skips over the fact that Lollapalooza these days has sold every inch of its soul and become a completely vacuous, mainstream, identikit festival. Even worse the whole end becomes this complete circle jerk about how great it is now and how culturally relevant it still is, whenever it couldn't be further from what made it important in the first place. It's a weird, jarring disconnect. They even try to sell it like it's the stage where they showcase the most important and subversive acts and it's fucking Miley Cyrus.

That aside though, it was an enjoyable enough recap up until that part. The footage from the first one in 1991 particularly is great. As is the Jane's Addiction early footage in general.

Quote from: Mooncat on March 20, 2025, 03:49:28 PMJust watched the Lollapalooza doc. I was enjoying it right up until about the last 20mins.

The whole doc constantly touches on the festival's internal struggle to stay true to its alternative roots and not sell out, and the criticisms they get for going in either direction, or the results of going either way. This is one of the most interesting parts of the doc.

At the end though it then just casually and quietly jettisons that whole argument and skips over the fact that Lollapalooza these days has sold every inch of its soul and become a completely vacuous, mainstream, identikit festival. Even worse the whole end becomes this complete circle jerk about how great it is now and how culturally relevant it still is, whenever it couldn't be further from what made it important in the first place. It's a weird, jarring disconnect. They even try to sell it like it's the stage where they showcase the most important and subversive acts and it's fucking Miley Cyrus.

That aside though, it was an enjoyable enough recap up until that part. The footage from the first one in 1991 particularly is great. As is the Jane's Addiction early footage in general.

Rollins has a great episode about his run on the tour on his old podcast.

Doc is a good watch, but Perry was/is an insufferable cunt who never saw a bandwagon he didn't hop onto.



Fairly pretentious in parts but there's some cool footage.

Not about a band but probably my favourite metal doc is Full Metal Village about Wacken – more from the town's point of view


Quote from: Sworntothecans on March 20, 2025, 04:31:53 PM

Fairly pretentious in parts but there's some cool footage.

Never got the fuss over Refused. I remember them being fawned over in the music press, so I was expecting something revelatory when I finally heard their music and it was just grand.

The Shape Of Punk To Come was a mighty (if preposterously titled) album but I couldn't get into any of their other stuff. I'll give that a look - I've always had the impression that their heads were up their arses so the pretension should come as no surprise.

I loved The Shape... when it came out and saw them in Dublin in 98. Savage gig. I never really bothered with anything else by then but that album is the business. I might throw an eyeball over that documentary.

I remember all the hype around Refused, but it was only a few years ago I gave them a listen. The Shape is a decent enough album, and I'd say it was pretty revelatory back then, but I guess by the time I got to it there was already so many more bands doing that style it didn't have the same impact

There was a bit of that album in most genres of metal/alt/hardcore since it came out whether directly or indirectly.
And so much shite covers of New Noise.

International Noise Conspiracy are a great band formed after Refused.  Im more likely to listen to their CDs over the few Refused CDs i own these days.

Quote from: Sworntothecans on March 21, 2025, 12:40:48 PMThere was a bit of that album in most genres of metal/alt/hardcore since it came out whether directly or indirectly.
And so much shite covers of New Noise.

I saw Crazy Town do a cover of it at a festival in 2001.  :-X

Quote from: Blankety Blank on March 23, 2025, 12:00:21 PM
Quote from: Sworntothecans on March 21, 2025, 12:40:48 PMThere was a bit of that album in most genres of metal/alt/hardcore since it came out whether directly or indirectly.
And so much shite covers of New Noise.

I saw Crazy Town do a cover of it at a festival in 2001.  :-X


And how has the PTSD therapy going for you since then? 😂

Quote from: Sworntothecans on March 23, 2025, 12:06:34 PM
Quote from: Blankety Blank on March 23, 2025, 12:00:21 PM
Quote from: Sworntothecans on March 21, 2025, 12:40:48 PMThere was a bit of that album in most genres of metal/alt/hardcore since it came out whether directly or indirectly.
And so much shite covers of New Noise.

I saw Crazy Town do a cover of it at a festival in 2001.  :-X


And how has the PTSD therapy going for you since then? 😂

I still cry in the shower.

Quote from: Blankety Blank on March 23, 2025, 12:10:58 PM
Quote from: Sworntothecans on March 23, 2025, 12:06:34 PM
Quote from: Blankety Blank on March 23, 2025, 12:00:21 PM
Quote from: Sworntothecans on March 21, 2025, 12:40:48 PMThere was a bit of that album in most genres of metal/alt/hardcore since it came out whether directly or indirectly.
And so much shite covers of New Noise.

I saw Crazy Town do a cover of it at a festival in 2001.  :-X


And how has the PTSD therapy going for you since then? 😂

I still cry in the shower.

Let it all out. Karma has taken care of Shifty Shellshock🙏

Released this tonight! Send on some Irish bands docs. Have ye seen the Hope is Noise one?

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