Are we all fucked?

[Kurt Cocaine]

Veganism for all... 

[astfgyl]

Veganism for all... 

Nah it's grand man, we can eat the bugs, own nothing, have no privacy and be happy!

[astfgyl]

[astfgyl]

https://gadgets.ndtv.com/science/news/chinese-artificial-sun-fusion-reactor-experiment-2453713

This is interesting.

[astfgyl]

https://research.noaa.gov/article/ArtMID/587/ArticleID/2764/Coronavirus-response-barely-slows-rising-carbon-dioxide

"The atmospheric burden of CO2 is now comparable to where it was during the Pliocene Climatic Optimum, between 4.1 and 4.5 million years ago, when CO2 was close to, or above 400 ppm."

Indeed, when measured over a scale of a couple of hundred years, we can accurately predict shit on a scale of millions.

These lads are unreal at telling me about the climate of between 4.1 and 4.5 million years ago. It must have been all the coal they were burning back in the day or the cars or some shit. Or maybe nobody has a fucking clue and every discovery leads to a new set of questions? Such as.. How come we see such fluctuation when we measure things on a scale of decades or even centuries or even individual years? Why do we see such disparity? Why then do we assume that the climate of 4.1 to 4.5 million years ago was so stable as to be able to pin it down to chunks of 400 thousand years, and even worse, then use that assumption as a comparison with which to judge today's situation? Is the whole foundation of that statement not built on a house of assumptions?

[livingabortion]

If you're all fucked and things are as disastrous as it's reckoned, wouldn't it be a good idea to so procreating so more people aren't heading into it? Yes I know, the idea of not having more kids might sound ludicrous, but look at how the one's who have been so far have fucked up the place.

[Blackout]

Don't know why anyone would have kids now unless you're well-off.  Unless you're in a rich family or have above average intelligence life will be a struggle.

[Emphyrio]

I dunno, tradesmen, who would probably be associated with average (or below?) intelligence, are capable of doing very well for themselves. I'd also say a good upbringing is at least as important as a well-off upbringing to do well.

[Blackout]

Hence why "well-off" is another qualification which I had said if you look closelyer at my post.

[Emphyrio]

Ya, I'd largely agree with your first point.

[Eoin McLove]

Another argument might be that we need to keep procreating to ensure our survival. I mean that in the sense that the more children are born, and specifically in the developed world where they have advantage,  education and dare I say privilege (the little Nazi fucks), the better chance we have of finding solutions to the big problems that face us regarding climate change. Maybe it's too late to reverse a lot of the damage but at least if we continue to breed clever people some alternatives might present themselves.

The not having kids thing is a bit of a non starter anyway. Certainly a portion of society do and probably always have had that outlook and have opted out of having children, but the simple reality is that humans,  like all animals, are programmed to pass on their genes. Now,  you might propose a Chinese type of solution, but really,  who wants to live in that sort of world?

Our only real hope is to trust that science and technology can find solutions that appeal to the masses. And to plant more and more trees. That seems to me like an easy step to take, particularly in wealthy countries that outsource most of the raping of the environment to poorer parts of the world. And who doesn't want more forests? They benefit everyone and everything.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

It's kids in the developed world, and their parents, doing the lion's share of the damage though, directly by their own actions and indirectly by propping up the corporations who are the real culprits. Kids in underdeveloped nations may not have much educational advantage, but they do have a minuscule carbon footprint.

I'd happily stop at the one, but you never know! Part of me reckons his world is going to be a pretty grim place, so I would prefer to pour all my energy into preparing him for what may come rather than just pro-creating willy nilly. And anyway, as I always like to remind people, the species, all species eventually, are doomed to extinction, so it's good to be grand with that too. Eat, drink, and be merry!

[livingabortion]

Another argument might be that we need to keep procreating to ensure our survival. I mean that in the sense that the more children are born, and specifically in the developed world where they have advantage,  education and dare I say privilege (the little Nazi fucks), the better chance we have of finding solutions to the big problems that face us regarding climate change. Maybe it's too late to reverse a lot of the damage but at least if we continue to breed clever people some alternatives might present themselves.

The not having kids thing is a bit of a non starter anyway. Certainly a portion of society do and probably always have had that outlook and have opted out of having children, but the simple reality is that humans,  like all animals, are programmed to pass on their genes. Now,  you might propose a Chinese type of solution, but really,  who wants to live in that sort of world?

Our only real hope is to trust that science and technology can find solutions that appeal to the masses. And to plant more and more trees. That seems to me like an easy step to take, particularly in wealthy countries that outsource most of the raping of the environment to poorer parts of the world. And who doesn't want more forests? They benefit everyone and everything.

The traditional Catholic Family numbers, enough for a GAA team in one family, certainly wasn't sustainable.

Do you mean the Chinese solution of only allowing a couple of kids or no girls, (I think the "no girls" one is gone as the population became top heavy with males).
If planting more trees and appealing to the masses is the last option we're screwed. Apparently according to  the Rain Forest Concern an area the size of England and Wales is worth of trees is being cut down from the rain forest https://www.rainforestconcern.org/forest-facts/why-are-rainforests-being-destroyed  - Too many people buying shit they don't need off Amazon.

[open face surgery]

IQ test at 5 years old and if they are below average, kill every second one. You still need heavy lifters.

[astfgyl]

Destroying the forests was an exceptional lack of foresight worldwide but I feel the wind is blowing in a way where that will be addressed in the near future... with the great cull of humanity.