Are we all fucked?

[Pedrito]

You're not wrong about the housing thing. It's definitely a rigged game and doesn't need to be anywhere near as complicated as it is in a country of 4 million people. Deliberately run badly is a good way to see it.

[The Butcher]

Michael Moore funded renewable energy policy exposé, calls to ban it from several sectors.

https://youtu.be/Zk11vI-7czE

It has lots of critics, and probably plenty of points to be debunked, but the overall message - that what needs changing more than anything else isn't a shift to green energy but rather a drastic reduction in consumption - is spot on. Anyway, very grim viewing, be warned.

Will watch this when I get a chance today. I'm not sure if it was this site or MI but you had a good statement re: "battle going on between old school nefarious billionaires vs new "green" but still ultimately nefarious billionaires". So this film highlights that?

https://wedocs.unep.org/bitstream/handle/20.500.11822/30797/EGR2019.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

So we've probably all seen the 1.5C global temperature limit goal. Global emissions would need to fall by some 7.6% every year this decade – nearly 2,800MtCO2 in 2020 – in order to limit warming to less than 1.5C above pre-industrial temperatures.

The amount of countries in various lockdowns, some spanning well over 12 weeks or more at this stage and China still not fully up and running,  the coronavirus pandemic is expected to drive carbon dioxide emissions down 6% this year, the head of the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) said on Wednesday, in what would be the biggest yearly drop since World War Two.

Imagine having to do this for 6 months of the year to get emissions down to achieve the 1.5C limit. It's impossible?

[The Butcher]

Ok watched that film. Well worth the watch. The population growth control is a hard sell for some...esp the people who believe in our current economic landscape of forever growth which is starting to show signs of a huge disconnect between the few and the many. I'd argue those signs started 30 odd years ago but a different topic required for that debate. I just don't see any solution to the population question though. The biomass aspect was the best part of the documentary ( time for forests to recover, loss of habitat, damage to water systems etc).

One or two niggly things about the film. Near the start that array of solar panels had 8% efficiency..I wonder when that array was built...2006/2007 or so I reckon? Early adopters always get screwed in these scenarios. The solar panels today usually give a range of 15-20% efficiency due to improvements in solar cells tech...which does give way to their argument slightly that we'd need to replace a lot of old solar/wind infrastructure already in place but this tech is in the early stages and if we go by moores law we should get to a point where it's not every 10 years replacement but 20/30/40 etc.

Not a big fan of Wind but solar/storage I still think shows the most promise. So with the energy output of solar nowadays we can dispel the myth shown in the film that you don't get a payback on energy gained from solar ->



Interesting analysis on electric cars/heat pumps regarding net emissions reductions ->
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41893-020-0488-7

I think overall my view is still the same - renewables reduce fossil fuels usage, but they have not, will not and can not eliminate fossil fuels. Only nuclear energy can completely remove fossil fuel energy from the picture - but the risk involved (only a question of when, not if, this waste will contaminate us) and rewatching Chernobyl again recently puts the fear into me that this isn't really an option for the world. And there's this ->
https://qz.com/1348969/europes-heatwave-is-forcing-nuclear-power-plants-to-shut-down/

There's this as well to complete construction around 2025 ->
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER

We need to give renewable/storage tech the time to emerge in the next decade and see where it leads us but I don't think there is any silver bullets...which people seem to assume when it comes to green energy.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/27/migration-crisis-destroy-eu-collapse-schengen

"By 2050, the population of Africa is predicted to have doubled to 2.5 billion. Continued inaction will turn the hundreds of thousands we are seeing now into millions seeking a better life in Europe." Do we continue the same route and witness this mass migration over the next few decades or do we move towards something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_and_Road_Initiative and try drive the poorest towards a more Western way of living and get their populations to a stable level...increase their standards of living but at a cost of a huge increase in consumption? Or do we continue to decrease ours? Is there a balance somewhere? At what point do you say a place is full? How do we begin to square these circles? 

[mugz]

Ok watched that film. Well worth the watch. The population growth control is a hard sell for some...esp the people who believe in our current economic landscape of forever growth which is starting to show signs of a huge disconnect between the few and the many. I'd argue those signs started 30 odd years ago but a different topic required for that debate. I just don't see any solution to the population question though. The biomass aspect was the best part of the documentary ( time for forests to recover, loss of habitat, damage to water systems etc).

One or two niggly things about the film. Near the start that array of solar panels had 8% efficiency..I wonder when that array was built...2006/2007 or so I reckon? Early adopters always get screwed in these scenarios. The solar panels today usually give a range of 15-20% efficiency due to improvements in solar cells tech...which does give way to their argument slightly that we'd need to replace a lot of old solar/wind infrastructure already in place but this tech is in the early stages and if we go by moores law we should get to a point where it's not every 10 years replacement but 20/30/40 etc.

Not a big fan of Wind but solar/storage I still think shows the most promise. So with the energy output of solar nowadays we can dispel the myth shown in the film that you don't get a payback on energy gained from solar ->



Interesting analysis on electric cars/heat pumps regarding net emissions reductions ->
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41893-020-0488-7

I think overall my view is still the same - renewables reduce fossil fuels usage, but they have not, will not and can not eliminate fossil fuels. Only nuclear energy can completely remove fossil fuel energy from the picture - but the risk involved (only a question of when, not if, this waste will contaminate us) and rewatching Chernobyl again recently puts the fear into me that this isn't really an option for the world. And there's this ->
https://qz.com/1348969/europes-heatwave-is-forcing-nuclear-power-plants-to-shut-down/

There's this as well to complete construction around 2025 ->
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER

We need to give renewable/storage tech the time to emerge in the next decade and see where it leads us but I don't think there is any silver bullets...which people seem to assume when it comes to green energy.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/27/migration-crisis-destroy-eu-collapse-schengen

"By 2050, the population of Africa is predicted to have doubled to 2.5 billion. Continued inaction will turn the hundreds of thousands we are seeing now into millions seeking a better life in Europe." Do we continue the same route and witness this mass migration over the next few decades or do we move towards something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_and_Road_Initiative and try drive the poorest towards a more Western way of living and get their populations to a stable level...increase their standards of living but at a cost of a huge increase in consumption? Or do we continue to decrease ours? Is there a balance somewhere? At what point do you say a place is full? How do we begin to square these circles?

once you're in the territory of weighing one continent's needs against another's you're in impossible straits already. The people who run this shindig are aware decades in advance which cultures will rise and fall and which technologies and mind control frameworks will be needed to manage it all. It just looks like permanent disaster because european/ 'white' culture and its linked effects on the last 600 years of world history, is more or less done for.

whatever way the next 100 years go, and Ive tried to convey that the transition will be very traumatic, our generation isn't relevant, and our world-culture as it were is also a sideshow. it'll be a bit like the Brits when their empire collapsed over a 30 year period back in the early to mid 20th century. Sorry for being negative!

so, this bizarre 'holiday' we're having is kind of a statement that there is no economics anymore; they're essentially telling you that we all now live in a world of pure structure, pure systemisation. the old world of interacting forces and trends and tensions of opposites is over. In some ways this makes life easier as you don't have to worry about some of the questions you've raised above. But as I've said earlier, the mental effort involved in running a world where the higher ups have explicitly shown there is no foundation anymore will be a lot for all of us, and will only be a natural fit for those under 30...

it's worth having a look at the dialectic of fossil fuels vs 'renewables', not being a pretentious cunt but dialectic is an important word just now.

[mugz]

The dole in Ireland used to be used as a type of base Universal Income in the same way it's used in that Stockton piece. Here in Spain the system still exists to quite a degree, whereby you might get enough from the dole to actually allow you to work part time or even have a job in a bar or have your small piece of land or whatever. The problem was when the beancounters came in and started making sure if you were on the dole you basically shouldn't have a job. Council housing and council estates didn't have the stigma attached to them that they do now.

in the 70s they more or less bought/built/gave away a house for everyone in the land despite the country being 'bankrupt' and the uk falling apart completely. we grew up thinking that's what life would be for us in our turn but it sure didn't work out like that. it was more or less a massive unofficial compulsory purchase project, but you wont hear much about it now as it doesnt suit the current darwinistic lunatics running ALL the man parties here.

you're right to equate the high welfare payments here vs say the uk to UBI by another name,but that whole ireland vs uk shared social history thing is a massive topic in itself

[astfgyl]

This one hasn't seen much action lately, but it seems like the best place to stick this.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/worldeconomicforum/2016/11/10/shopping-i-cant-really-remember-what-that-is-or-how-differently-well-live-in-2030

This is from the World Economic Forum, the main drivers of The Great Reset, which will soon be the idea sold everywhere. Ties in with the Smart City thing we hear of a lot. I can see a lot of people wanting to get on board with this, but I think I would be one of the ones stuck in the olden days, outside of the city.

The Great Reset or some form of the idea has been around a good while, and the only way it could be implemented according to its' proponents would be to flatten all of the economies and build them back up again from scratch. Coincidentally, that is what is happening at the moment. Anyone else heard of it yet?

[Eoin McLove]

It looks like perfection to the point of sterility. Brave New World kind of stuff. Some undoubtedly positive aspect, but a sort of soullessness too. Obviously it's an exaggeration that ignores the 'human factor' that would find its own way of corrupting most of the positives.

[astfgyl]

Yeah it really does sound both wonderful and absolutely terrible at once. I wouldn't see it coming in the next 10 years, but then again, life is gone very You won't believe what happens next in the last few years. Ties in nicely with the resource based economy idea.

[astfgyl]

This is pretty frightening, and in light of the borrowings outlined in yesterday's budget, sheds a bit of light on the scale of the economic problem facing us in this country right now. Look at Ireland's GDP to Debt ratio. Unbelievable.

https://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html

[The Butcher]

To answer the original question ->

https://youtu.be/uD4izuDMUQA

Yes. 

[astfgyl]

To answer the original question ->

https://youtu.be/uD4izuDMUQA

Yes. 

Saw a similar vid before but couldn't help being drawn in again. Fascinating stuff and it kills me that I won't be around to see it.

[Pedrito]

All I take from that video is that the guy keeps saying 'we don't know' because they don't.

[astfgyl]

Yeah they don't. That is sort of the beauty of it all too; the wild speculation.

Seen a few things like that over the years where it shows what will happen assuming everything that is already known is true. Saw a slightly different but equally interesting one before where it's a chap lying on the ground and it zooms out x10 every few seconds and also starting at the same point zooms in as well. Must dig it out.

[Kurt Cocaine]

Was that the one with big willied black lad with a towel over his shoulders?

[astfgyl]

Was that the one with big willied black lad with a towel over his shoulders?

Yeah that's the one. I have so many like that I can never remember the names of them all