Are we all fucked?

[Bürggermeister]

He says "The EU want to ban these products"

His survey says "Proposed EU Maximum Permitted Levels for vitamins and minerals could force sharp reductions in supplement dosages"

Which is it?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Nevermind that now: a minority has committed a horrific crime.

[ijnjnijnilijbibbjknkjbjkk]

Yes, correct. The two things aren't the same fucking league you leftist nutcase. It's not the star trek enterprise you're living on.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Indeed. It's much more like Daily Mail Island.

[ijnjnijnilijbibbjknkjbjkk]

That's actually a peninsula.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

He says "The EU want to ban these products"

His survey says "Proposed EU Maximum Permitted Levels for vitamins and minerals could force sharp reductions in supplement dosages"

Which is it?

Noise, is what it is. I mean, if he's saying that he thinks the Irish government should inject money into Irish laboratories so that Irish scientists can carry out rigorous clinical trials of these supplements on Irish populations, pending which--in keeping with standard scientific rigor--sale should be either suspended or at least provisionally limited to dosages approved by accredited foreign research groups--then I would be 100% for that. Somehow, I don't think that's what he's saying though. Notably because he doesn't say it (having been away, I only got around to watching his wee tiktok now).

The blurb for the petition includes references to one, two, oh no wait, make that zero scientific studies.

[Bürggermeister]

Nor the actual legislation itself, so that these seemingly inconsistent and superfluous claims could be checked against actual fact. You can, I suppose, congratulate his devotion to his name, his jibba jabba is also... lawless.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Not to mention that, in terms of measurable health benefits, most dietary supplements available on the market, as study after study after study has shown, serve at best little to nothing more than a placebo/wallet-emptying function. Lawless knows his audience though, which is why he's focusing on populist BS like this rather than lobbying for, say, VAT reductions or even subsidies on everyday healthy food products (which you'd think a pro-agriculture TD would be all for!). Instead, he's complaining about 23% VAT on dietary supplements and describing people who take them as "people who are proactively looking after their health." For the most part, people who pump supplements are either pigeons or hypochondriacs. And I say all of this as someone who is also firmly convicted (again on the basis of empirical studies) that there is also massive over-prescription of medically approved pharmaceuticals.

[Ollkiller]

Dietary supplements and vitamins are fucking shyte. A total cod. Asked a few doctors over the years about them and all said eat a balanced diet instead. Id add a bit of sun for Vitamin D.

[jobrok1]

But how many people, doctors included, eat a proper balanced diet.

[Ollkiller]

But how many people, doctors included, eat a proper balanced diet.

Fuck knows. If you want to supplement your diet with vitamins etc fire ahead. I just believe that vitamins from natural sources are way more beneficial to us than supplements.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Supplements can't compensate for poor diet, is the bottom line. Limited targeted supplementing can be useful, but I haven't seen any (serious) suggestion that that kind of supplementing is in the EU's crosshairs. This is what it boils down to, pretty much:

If you feel you could be lacking in certain vitamins and minerals, it is better to look at changing your diet and lifestyle first, rather than reaching for supplements.

Which is why any politician combining both basic nutritional knowledge and genuine care for the population would be prioritizing a push for policies to make healthy diet and lifestyle more accessible to all.

https://theconversation.com/health-check-can-vitamins-supplement-a-poor-diet-62291

[astfgyl]

But how many people, doctors included, eat a proper balanced diet.

Fuck knows. If you want to supplement your diet with vitamins etc fire ahead. I just believe that vitamins from natural sources are way more beneficial to us than supplements.

Get a decent enough dinner into you and too right it shouldn't have to be supplemented

I'd recommended the rustlers range of microwaveable burgers lol lol

[The Butcher]

For places like Ireland they do say a VitD3 supplement is wise and recommended esp during Winter months. Decent studies on reducing hip fractures in elderly, respiratory infection but it's not a miracle cure for your heart or cancer etc.

Obviously for pregnant women - strong evidence for folic and usually told to go for a prenatal supp. Generally good studies on Omega 3 too but beyond that, multi-vitamin at a stretch like the article above says, it can cover gaps but won't usually cover other things like fibre/minerals etc so shouldn't be used as a way of thinking "yeah my poor diet is ok now"

Noticed a lot "food influencers" popping up in the past year or so - interesting to see how they target, some stuff is worthwhile but a lot of scaremongering too.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

The famous "indigenous Irish" are ironically the ones least in need of vit D supplementation (as long as they get their pasty arses outside for a good bit on a ~daily basis), whereas darker skinned residents are the ones most in need of it... a fact glossed over by the likes of Lawless. Again though, I haven't seen any serious suggestion that the EU is planning to block evidence-based specific use supplementation, so Lawless' whole schtick comes across very much like Bojo's bendy bananas ban bullshit.