Are we all fucked?

[astfgyl]

There are definitely still lots of ways to Improve the general lot of the human race, but greed will see to that.

I could go on about it for pages and pages, but i think it is the basic idea that enough is never enough is what has done it.

I wonder if Jaz Coleman has much to say on it all?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

This guy knows how fucked we are:
https://mobile.twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/1152663611510263810?s=19

[astfgyl]

This guy knows how fucked we are:
https://mobile.twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/1152663611510263810?s=19

Yeah it's that sort of shit that makes regular folk think that everybody with non mainstream ideas is an idiot.

I'm going to go out on a limb here myself though and say that it looks like there is some sort of geoengineering being experimented with on an almost daily basis. Why is it being done? I haven't a clue. I just know what I see when I look up and it isn't nothing.

I try to think critically about things, and the only thing I know for a fact is that I don't really know anything, so god knows what the real answer to the sky writing is, but saying it isn't there seems like madness to me.

That eejit in the video also seems like madness to me though, and shit like that clouds any reasonable discussion.

I'm probably going to suffer for what I've said here, but sure fuck it

[jobrok1]

This guy knows how fucked we are:
https://mobile.twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/1152663611510263810?s=19

Jesus Wept!!!   

[Juggz]

They're spraying us with smart dust!

If only.

[Eoin McLove]

Greta Thunberg has only recently appeared on my radar and now she appears to be everywhere. I have mixed emotions around her.  On one hand, listening to a precocious fifteen year old throwing a tantrum and pretending it's politics is cringey as fuck.  On the other hand,  despite her annoyingly hysterical approach she is managing to activate millions of her peers and essentially everything she is trying to do I'm in favour of so more power to her.  She has tapped into something here and,  being cynical,  you could say she's exploiting a  agenda for her own ends but if she is being listened to and taken seriously by the powers that be, even if they are just being shamed and embarrassed into listening to her,  then perhaps she can be a force for greater good and that might be what we need right now. 

[Juggz]

She is keeping it in the news where these things are usually buried in quick time. For that alone, all credit to her as news seems to rely on the human interest story to get anywhere. The facts are no longer enough. The danger is the message becomes about Greta rather than her cause but I don't think we're there yet.

[Eoin McLove]

Yep,  that's true.  I'd also be of the persuasion that,  regardless of the current climate crisis/ climate crisis zeitgeist, that anything that is done to help the environment is a good thing.  Even if the climate was perfectly healthy and stable I'd still want to feel that the world governments are working to keep it that way, so it's a win win scenario. I also can't wait for her powerful,  uplifting story of struggle to be picked up by Hollywood.  The way to an Oscar these days appears to be to blubber uncontrollably with lots of snot running down your face and if the clip of her I heard on the radio earlier is anything to go by,  she'll have that baby sewn up as well as saving the world

[Pedrito]

https://twitter.com/c_3c_3/status/1176191494027452419?s=21

[polymer]

The 'climate crisis' is this era's Live Aid - more smoke, mirrors and bullshit.

[Pedrito]

Was laughing at Varadkar yesterday. Big blustery speech about not using oil that we've never found. Made himself out to be the perfect Trudeau type and people just lap it up.

Meanwhile people in Navan can't get a decent fucking train to work in Dublin when it's 20 miles away, the health service in shite, rent prices through the roof in a centralized Dublin that makes no sense at all. If they had any sort of plan, we would be upgrading our infrastructure massively which would relieve the huge need for people to sit in petrol powered cars for hours a day coming up from Navan, Cavan, Drogheda, Kildare etc in an attempt to actually earn a living and have SOME sort of standard of living with creches for their kids and decent schools rather than living in a one bed in Dublin.

But rather than do the hard work and actually create a sustainable plan we get fucking carbon taxes. So stick your stolen dreams up yer hole.

[Eoin McLove]

The 'climate crisis' is this era's Live Aid - more smoke, mirrors and bullshit.

I'm interested in your opinion on this.  The world's scientists appear to be in agreement that there is a crisis,  there is evidence of various glaciers receding at alarming rates,  in Siberia there is evidence of permafrost that has been stable for thousands of years is beginning to melt with potentially devastating effects on the climate, the data appears to show an increase in extreme weather systems across the globe (although that's maybe a temporary blip,  only time will tell) etc.  Do you think it's all a conspiracy and that everything is grand or that it's being exaggerated or what? What reading/ viewing links do you have? I'm interested in exploring this more.

[Kurt Cocaine]

I'm looking forward to seeing all these kids giving up their X-box, PlayStation, cinema trips, electric boards, fashion, transport to school, etc. in place of walking, reused clothes, playing with sticks/stones/petrol/etc. like we did as kids.

[Pedrito]

On live aid: https://www.spin.com/featured/live-aid-the-terrible-truth-ethiopia-bob-geldof-feature/

The point isn't that there isn't global warming. Of course we need to be environmentally conscious and do whatever we can for the environment. But what is clear is that there is an agenda being rammed down our throats at the moment and if we have learnt anything we should approach it with a very healthy scepticism. This Greta girl is a pawn in someone's game, of that there can be little doubt.

So we have a world in which there is unbelievable levels of poverty, malnutrition, famine etc. as well as the environmental question. What is needed is some level headed thinking and some real, viable, well thought out solutions to the issue and ranting and raving and gluing yourself to trains does nothing but piss off the majority of people and turn them off what is an important issue.

I've been listening to Bjorn Lomborg quite a bit lately on this. His stance is that Global Warming is definitely happening, but that there are realities that need to be taken into consideration in tackling it. He talks about raising people out of poverty, family planning etc as very important factors in the issue. We in the West have a great privilege in terms of even being able to think about these things in the first place. You go to Vietnam and you can't walk down the street for the amount of mopeds in cities like Saigon. People are trying to make ends meet and get ahead. They don't have time to even think about carbon footprints or anything even remotely simimlar. If we could essentially make these people richer, the results would tend towards less children, greater awareness of social and environmental issues etc etc. It's better to listen to the guy himself though.

And it all goes back to my last point..you upgrade the train line from Navan to Dublin, you would greatly impact the traffic on the N3, taking cars off the road, allowing people to move out of an already congested city. If that one change could have such an impact, imagine what would happen if we actually had some real planning instead of Leo and company clapping eachother on the back for meaningless acts such as yesterday's agreement to not explore for oil...imagine the infrastructure changes that finding oil could have financed in our country? The mind boggles. We would have solar panels on every house in the country. We could have high speed trains linking Donegal to fucking Cork. But no, the drama and the asperger's tears are what we have to react to always. It's Lourdes, the Pope's visit and moving statues all over again.

Bjorn Lomborg:

https://youtu.be/xcbemlPluAo


http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201909/19/WS5d82c73ea310cf3e3556c445.html

[Eoin McLove]

I can't argue with that. I recently read Enlightenment Now by Steven Pinker and he made very much the same argument. But I think that the positive aspect of the likes of Greta Thunberg,  despite the obvious cringe-factor of her delivery and naivety, is that she is helping to bring about the notion of ecological awareness to her peers.  To us oul lads,  it's a bit embarrassing,  but if a greener outlook is being sewn among the next generation coming up,  it can only be a good thing.  Ultimately though, the change has to happen from the top and I think that it is beginning to happen.  There is more pressure being put on governments to respond to environmental concerns in general,  even if they might take the occasional wrong turn (the switch from petrol to diesel) or the fact that even our own small country is a laggard when it wouldn't take much for us to lead the charge on renewable energy.  The appetite for this stuff is growing. Electric cars are becoming more common, still early days there but it's growing,  people questioning the use of plastics and packaging in supermarkets,  looking at industrial scale cattle farming,  technology pushing ever forward in its quest for cleaner energy across the board.  Laying all of this at the feet of a 15 year old girl is,  naturally,  absurd.  It has been bubbling slowly for years,  but she is doing her part for her generation to get them active.  As for the deadlines that are set  in terms of reversing climate change,  who knows what the truth is, but there is certainly hard evidence of global warming being a reality.  Maybe it's being over hyped,  maybe not.  But a world that takes these matters seriously is better than a world that cynically shrugs it off so that big business can keep on doing whatever it likes without impunity,  at least in my view.