Are we all fucked?

[Eoin McLove]

Do you even realise how much carbon all your dead soldiers send into the atmosphere? This is a global crisis,  people.  Could everybody PLEASE stop wanking!

[Trev]

you'd wonder where a 16 yr old with aspergers and a history of depression amongst other issues has come up with her ideas.

Well people with aspergers have a tendency to focus incessantly on singular subject, so she just seems obsessed with climate change. When you get that single minded about something it's not that hard to see where she gets her ideas, there's an endless supply of information out there on it

[Pedrito]

Guinness farts are responsible for the ozone hole

[The Butcher]

I like the video on population growth but I reckon it's unwise to think that life expectancy will remain the same, it's more likely we will find ways to extend our lives further to our 90s/100s (while improving life quality in our 60s/70s/80s). That adds another 2-4 billion to the world depending on advancements.

We are levelling rainforests at an industrial rate - It's not all fossil fuels. Being cynical this will just result in an increased carbon tax slapped on us plebs. We already have in Ireland one in three struggling people facing 'high' or 'extreme' bill stress over crippling fuel costs, while a staggering 25% did not run heaters at winter (One Big Switch poll). Meanwhile, we'll have the rich buying carbon credits, feeling good about it and never changing their behaviour.

"The margins of error are so large that it can be difficult to draw strong conclusions," Bamber said, pointing to a 2008 study he co-wrote that estimated East Antarctica's ice loss at 4 billion tons, with an error margin of 61 billion tons.

The truth is we don't know what will happen by 2050, the margin of error on these studies are so large so when you try predict out to 30+ years time there's no point. They can't currently model clouds with any degree of certainty and H2O according to the IPCC themselves is the most important greenhouse gas. Look at all the computer models..the variances are high because the role of feedbacks are uncertain.

Very interesting solution to desertification...

https://youtu.be/vpTHi7O66pI

A mini-ice age would be more disastrous than a bit more warming from what I can see. More atmospheric CO allows plants to grow using less water by reducing evapotranspiration - water evaporating after it is released from plants' pores. Precipitation and soil moisture may rise from this, and droughts may become less frequent. We've the Sahara greening and Tundra will give way in the likes of Russia etc.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth

I don't think there is anyone who doubts Co2 is a greenhouse gas and significantly increasing the concentrations of it in the atmosphere have implications for climate. Climate changes will likely have numerous negative consequences but there are actually some benefits to Co2 so overall I don't see the doomsday/collapse of civilisation scenario.

There are some stuff being thought up - Harvard came up with a calcite based aerosol that was proposed to be a solution for both global warming and ozone depletion in 2016, something a lot of Asian countries, esp China would be interested in for air quality issues. Reforestation and cleaner tech in agri/manufacturing sectors needs to be part of the solution but even still I don't see how to curb it without changing how the world does business...and these quotes below are from 2017 ->

Even with the most optimistic scenario for greenhouse gas emissions reductions, that share will rise to about 48 per cent by the end of the century. If so-called business as usual emissions continue, that share would climb to 74 per cent by then, the paper found.

Avoiding dangerous levels of climate change is still just about possible, but will require unprecedented effort and coordination from governments, businesses, citizens and scientists in the next three years, a group of prominent experts has warned.

[Eoin McLove]

Dunno about the greening effect but the Ted Talk was interesting. Aren't cattle considered to be problematic for the environment,  though? Curious that he decided not to address that side of the debate.

[The Butcher]

Yeah, I know in Australia they are going mad about using cattle as they are ruining the top soil...in the end the meat quality is so bad they sell it cheap to Africa/Asia markets. Then you have the Oz farmers complaining about droughts....yet have increased the amounts of cattle on their land in the last few years!! There was a big move at one point to try push people towards Kangaroo meat but it wasn't really successful.

[Eoin McLove]

Australia is a good example actually.  Gippsland in Victoria is famed for its beef (in Oz) but I'm not sure about the rest of the continent.  The heart of the place is bushland which,  ironically,  is pretty arid despite consisting mainly of cattle ranches.  Does that put the lie to your man's theory or is it rather a case of mismanagement?

[The Butcher]

My brother lives in Adelaide and we travelled up to a place called the Flinders Ranges, along the way, multiple farms with vast amounts of land either side of the road. Brother pointed out the cattle, I was shocked at the sheer amount of them, most looked quite underweight and this was their Winter when the land should be in better condition. Just by seeing it, you'd say this is a case of complete mismanagement fueled by greed, esp considering these farmers will be jumping up and down for subsidies and complaining to media about droughts/cattle dying off in a few weeks time. If that ted talk theory had huge promise, surely someone else would have acted upon it by now.

A SEAI Report showed that Ireland generates 0.1% of global CO2 emissions. 40% of global CO2 emissions come from coal, and China burns 50% of the world's coal, increasing by 3% per year. That extra coal burnt by China is 0.6%. Even if we in Ireland went back to stone age, it doesn't stop a thing while the world promotes and creates excessive production for consumerism..Cheap mass production comes at a cost. We can't seem to develop a sense of proportion.

But solutions need to be thought up -  I've seen touted that wooden architecture is the future of building which would allow us to draw carbon from the air and store it. But the following has a lot of promise ->

https://www.powermag.com/pioneering-zero-emission-natural-gas-power-cycle-achieves-first-fire
https://www.ervia.ie/news/paving-the-way-for-a-deca/

The link above is something to keep an eye on. The idea is the use of super-critical CO2 as a working fluid to drive the power turbine. Super-critical CO2 has big advantages over water as a working fluid.

[hellfire]

These climate change protests are a laugh. Lobbying the government to do something so they don't have to. At the end of the day consumers drive what is made and how it is packaged. The more planting thing never really gets a push. Plant more trees, they eat CO2 and look nice. Carbon tax is a load of crap too. It will apparently be ringfenced for environmental causes. I'm betting most of these causes will amount to massive publicity campaigns with Leo and friends looking great.

[Eoin McLove]

Good to see the hippies out doing yoga in front of Westminster in aid of global warming. Pushing out all those vegan farts will help counteract the harm being done by greenhouse gases.

[Scáthach]

Yeah, and then loads of the protesters were snapped getting lunch in McDonalds, that's real eco-friendly!

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Loads like more than 50% or more like less than 1%? All protests attract people who don't actually get what the protest is about at all; human stupidity knows no bounds of cause!

[Scáthach]

Couldn't tell ya BSC, but yeah, only two things are infinite.... I'm not anti protest, but then I'm not pro-bongoloid either.

[Kurt Cocaine]

And still no one has thanked Thomas Cook for leading the way in reducing carbon emissions.

[The Butcher]

As predicted, government budget increased the carbon tax by 6euro per tonne (30% increase). That's expected to occur every budget until 2030 getting us up to 80 euro per tonne. By 2030 that will be about an extra 155 euro for a 900 litre of Kerosene and nearly €140 extra on 11kwh Nat Gas. Petrol/Diesel will be an extra 20cent per litre in 10 years time just from a carbon tax alone.

Meanwhile Phil Hogan signs off the mercosur deal which will completely level rainforests at an industrial rate to produce non traceable low quality beef that will be shipped over to the EU from South America. How very green this all is...