I'd never have considered them metal at all, but yeah they were the heaviest thing I've heard too. I would 't even try to label them, they're just their own thing IMO.

That was the last gig I've been to. I'm occasionally tempted, but I can't see anything getting close to that so I can't be bothered anymore.

I suppose they aren't but fuck me it would take something to top that for heaviness. Just unbelievable stuff altogether. I'd go to them again for certain were they to turn up

Feck ye, I've such FOMO from that gig, could've gone and all  :laugh:

I see initial copies of the new album come with a live DVD from that tour, so that's some consolation if you pick one up.

The Fall - Sub-Lingual Tablet

I'm convinced The Fall never released a bad album. It did sometimes seems like they were deliberately trying to sabotage potentially great albums by horsing in some annoying tracks, but they were never boring. The later stuff is a weird mix of garage and Krautrock with Mark E Smith growling over the lot like a drunken, barely comprehensible gargoyle.

Any other Fall heads on here?

Wouldn't call myself a Fall head by any means but do enjoy them, generally, and have bought a few CDs over the years. I'm quite partial to Fall Heads Roll and Reformation Post T.L.C. that era, that Palais gig is deadly. I got into them by reading Smith's book, and as I started listening I got a hold of Steve Hanley's book, then Brix-Smith's one. Must've been a fucking nightmare to be around but Mark got some very cool tunes out of people.

Fall Heads Roll is great as is Reformation, apart from Das Boat which is shockingly bad. The Real New Fall LP and Your Future Our Clutter are my favourites of the later stuff.

Love the band but Mark must have been a prick to work for. I'd recommend checking out Oh! Brother, a podcast hosted by Paul and Steve Hanley where they interview some former members and fans, and share some stories about their life in The Fall. They don't hold back either. Henry Rollins guests on an episode and recounts meeting Mark at a German festival where Mark starts heckling Blixa Bargeld's poetry reading. It's fucking hilarious.

Nice one, will check that out

Quote from: Carnage on March 09, 2025, 08:59:40 PMI see initial copies of the new album come with a live DVD from that tour, so that's some consolation if you pick one up.

Pretty sure that's on YouTube and it's absolutely brilliant if it is in fact the same one

In recent years I've grown to love R.E.M. in a huge way. They used to bore the face off me (with the exception of Losing My Religion which is still one of their greatest).

I gradually began to explore their earlier material and they have some amazing material in their albums.

Turn You Inside Out off Green is on repeat here again today

I came to them late myself, had no interest in them 'til after they'd split, bar a few songs here and there. Came in from the pub one night and the Perfect Square live video was on the telly, and they just clicked then. Great band, and I could listen to Mills talk about music all day.

Mills has written some of musics best bass lines

Picked up a copy of Green in Dealz one day on a whim and actually started liking them after thinking they were shit for years. It was always the vocals I didn't like but then it just clicked and while I wouldn't be a massive fan, I did work my way back through a lot of their stuff and found I suddenly liked it.

I do like when that happens, and there's a whole discography out there to dig into

R.E.M. were what ultimately led me to metal. Was discovering music on my own around the ages of 14 to 16 - mostly dance/electronic.

Decided I wanted some guitars in my ears, and the first thing I bought was their Daysleeper single.

Scored a loan of Automatic and Out of Time, they gave me the want for more guitars, asked my (then future) brother-in-law for some "guitar music like R.E.M. or Nirvana", he gave me a shoe box with the likes of Master of Puppets, Peace Sells, Powerslave, Blizzard of Ozzy, bunch of Deep Purple and AC/DC, and that was that.

The Cure: Boys Don't Cry, Japanese Whispers & Paris (30th Anniversary Edition)