Where It All Turned To Shit

[Carnage]

they made Reed sound shit ha ha

He needed no help in that regard, he was always shit. But that aural abortion is one of the worst things ever committed to tape.

No truer words were ever spoken. I randomly found a live album of his (Animal Serenade) in a book shop for a quid and figured "why not"... filing down the edges of the euro and inserting it up me hole would be a more palatable use for it than buying that album again.

It's doubling baffling how bad Reed was when you realise he thought himself as a genius. And he was a cunt of a person too.

His only redeeming moment for me was during a Dave Fanning interview in the late '90s/early '00s - I forget the specifics but Fanning was doing his usual thing of delivering a monologue instead of letting his subject speak, and was telling Reed what one of his songs/albums was about. Reed interrupted him and completely shot him down, tore what he'd been saying apart and completely showed him up. It was glorious.

[Don Gately]

Ah lads ffs Reed was a genius. Some of his Velvet Underground stuff was great, his solo stuff too especially New York. Still one of my favourite albums

[Necro Red]

They also appeared on Jools Holland, personally it's so shit I can't even watch it again.

I watched that and never bothered listening to the whole album, only a few tracks.....just awful

[Born of Fire]

They also appeared on Jools Holland, personally it's so shit I can't even watch it again.

Looked it up there out of morbid curiosity and once again the YouTube comment section has left me wondering if I'm somehow listening to something completely different than the cunts praising it 

[Cosmic_Equilibrium]

Arise is the obvious one for me. A watered down version of what had come before that's the sound of a band bored of what they were doing, but doing it anyway. Shit record.

I keep seeing this opinion posted and it makes no sense. Arise is basically BTR part 2. If you liked one you'll like the other surely?

[Eoin McLove]

I grew up with Arise so I'd rate it above BTR.

[Cosmic_Equilibrium]

Here are my thoughts...

Metallica: It all went south when Newsted left. Their live show lost the intensity and hasn't been quite the same since. But then St. Anger...... there are no words. Easily a 0/10 album, one of the worst albums ever recorded by ANYONE, and in fact it might be the all time worst because you can't listen to it even as background music. CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG - you have to turn the record off. Genuinely unlistenable and was the moment Metallica quit metal's top table and left the way clear for Maiden. The band have taken 20 years to recover and make a relatively decent album (72 Seasons is OK, and 'Inamorata' is their best song in 25 years) but no other band shat the bed like they did in 2003. People going on about Lulu, that album isn't great but is nowhere near St. Anger levels of direness, also it was Metallica with Lou Reed, the guy who once made a double album of feedback, so did anyone really expect it to not be weird?

Megadeth: You could rightly cite Risk, but I'm going for Endgame. Terrible record, dull forced songs, no interesting hooks and full of crappy conspiracy theory lyrics. Easily Megadeth's low point.

Black Sabbath: Cross Purposes Live. Even if you like the Tony Martin era, this is a low point. He had a cold admittedly but he can't get within a mile of the Ozzy songs and he also had no stage presence at all. Dismal live album.

Sepultura: Roots, easily. Chaos AD is a good album, not thrash sure but a good record with a real sense of fight to it. Then Max lost his mind and decided to copy Korn. Straight up nu metal record, the band went from leaders to followers overnight with this album and the live record from the tour is utterly dire as well, 90% of it seems to be Roots songs and all the old songs chopped up into shitty medleys.

The Offspring: Songwriting completely went after Americana and never came back. A shame as their 90s work is some of the best music of the decade, but Conspiracy of One was very mediocre and from what I've heard of subsequent albums none of them are in the same league.

Deep Purple: Slaves and Masters. Joe Lynn Turner in Deep Purple was a crime against rock n roll and this album is everything In Rock is not. The live shows were the real low point though, check out some of the footage on Youtube. Turner is atrocious, trying to imitate Gillan and getting nowhere near, Blackmore seems to be almost amused by it all and Glover and Lord are hiding in the shadows, probably in embarassment.

Rush: The keyboards came in, and Geddy Lee's mind went out of the door. The funny thing is that Moving Pictures perfectly balanced Rush's sound with new technology in an interesting and organic way, but oh boy did they lose it after that. Albums like Power Windows sound hilariously dated, the music sounds like advertising jingles and the lyrics take a dip in quality too.

Genesis: After Hackett left in 1977 the three remaining members should have just changed the band name. You can't seriously say that In Too Deep bears any resemblance to the band that wrote Dancing With The Moonlit Knight.

Queen: When they decided to mount a comeback but replace Freddie Mercury with an American Idol contestant. Absolute desecration.

Pink Floyd: The Final Cut. Actually it all went to shit on The Wall when Waters took control of the band but The Wall has its good points... TFC is really dismal and is basically a Waters solo album. No Wright on it either which underlines this point. The core of the band was always Gilmour and Wright. At least when Waters left things got better.

Judas Priest: Turbo. Why? Just why? They were selling out arenas and were superstars in the US with their own sound, there was no need to try and copy Def Leppard. And Ram It Down was even worse, marred by obnoxious drum machines and some godawful songwriting with cringe inducing lyrics. But Painkiller was a resurrection.

[Don Gately]

Give me Ram it down any day over Turbo

[spiritcrusher]

I think at least half of Turbo is banging. Some duds yeah but when it works it really works. Out In The Cold in particular is up there with their best stuff.

[DaveG]

Megadeth: You could rightly cite Risk, but I'm going for Endgame. Terrible record, dull forced songs, no interesting hooks and full of crappy conspiracy theory lyrics. Easily Megadeth's low point.

Had Endgame on in the car a couple of weeks ago for the first time in probably 10 years.  It's a very solid record and definitely the best thing they've put out since the 90s.

[The Great Cull]

Megadeth: You could rightly cite Risk, but I'm going for Endgame. Terrible record, dull forced songs, no interesting hooks and full of crappy conspiracy theory lyrics. Easily Megadeth's low point.

Had Endgame on in the car a couple of weeks ago for the first time in probably 10 years.  It's a very solid record and definitely the best thing they've put out since the 90s.

Megadeth haven't had a good album for 30 years. Any of the comeback albums like Endgame or United Abominations have been unadulterated shite. In similar fashion to Mike Muir and Rob Zombie, Mustaine started to believe the band was just him and him alone. Any time that happens, they surround themselves with yes men and the quality goes out the window.

[Carnage]

This Day We Fight! and Head Crusher are the only tracks I liked on that one. Most of their post Rust In Peace albums only have two or three decent tracks for me TBH.

[Bürggermeister]

Megadeth turned to shit on 12th of August, 1991, the day 'tallica released the Black album. Mustaine chased their commercial sellout holes all the way to the horizon, never to outdo them, no matter how hard he tried... and he tried very fucking hard, especially when Billy Ray Cyrus prevented Countdown from becoming #1. The signs of rot setting in are there on Countdown, though. Once he got into the spoken section shite (Boy, your soul better belong... Read my lips... and the rate is accelerating, etc) it was already too late. Then there's Sweating Bullets. Holy fucking jaysus. He was still capable of a decent riff or two but, overall, Dave has been pedalling shite, of varying radio-friendly intent, since that fucking day 'tallica was born. Youthanasia is risible plodding shite, lads, a desperate attempt to make his band radio friendly. If it's the soundtrack to your teenage years, that's grand and all, but it's a fucking terrible album. You're better off pretending whatever came after doesn't exist.

[The Great Cull]

The demise of mainstream metal in general can be traced back to the day that Max Cavalera lost his hairbrush. Whether the brush itself was magic or it was just a coincidence hasn't been confirmed.

[Trev]

When Suicidal split up in the mid 90s and didn't do everything they could to get Rocky George back in when they reformed. Absolutely nothing they've done since has come close to matching his era, despite having some brilliant players come and go

At least they're still a great live act though and pretty much stick to only playing stuff from their first 15 or so years