Black Sabbath - your favourite 2 albums.

[Mithrandir]

I'll have to do some heavy metal homework from this thread, I've never heard a Black Sabbath album and could probably name 3 songs 😳😳

[The Wretch]

Does not compute.

Carnage will likely tell you that everything after the first six are crap, and everything from the 80's is AOR.

But he's right in that you can't go far wrong with those first six, and they are the best place to start.

Although personally, I love most everything Iommi related. Aside from a few songs on his first solo album. Although that was more the choice of vocalists than his riffs. which were mint.

[Sworntothecans]

Sabotage & Heaven & Hell.
Sabotage for Hole In The Sky and Heaven & Hell as it was the first Sabbath album I heard when I was a kid as the older cousin had the record.

[Skott Furys jizz rag]

I'll have to do some heavy metal homework from this thread, I've never heard a Black Sabbath album and could probably name 3 songs 😳😳

The fuck 😂 Man just start at the beginning and don't stop!

[Uinsion]

Tony Martin set is on the way. 

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Black Sabbath - Anno Domini 1989-1995

 The set contains newly remastered versions of Headless Cross (1989), Tyr (1990), and Cross Purposes (1994), plus a new version of Forbidden (1995) that guitarist Tony Iommi remixed specially for the collection.

Could someone explain in layman's terms what remastering, remixing are and how it changes the sound if it does,

thanks in advance.

[Uinsion]

Tony Martin set is on the way. 

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Black Sabbath - Anno Domini 1989-1995

 The set contains newly remastered versions of Headless Cross (1989), Tyr (1990), and Cross Purposes (1994), plus a new version of Forbidden (1995) that guitarist Tony Iommi remixed specially for the collection.

Could someone explain in layman's terms what remastering, remixing are and how it changes the sound if it does,

I mean why would/should I buy a remastered version?
Why would/should I buy a remixed version?

thanks in advance.

[Bürggermeister]

Mixing is where each track/instrument/mic can be adjusted individually (level, EQ, compression, reverb, etc) and can completely change the sound of a piece of music. A completed mix of a song is then Mastered to give a cohesive overall sound and volume level to an album.

An example of a good remix is the Relapse version of Human by Death compared to the original Relativity version. The drums and bass have been brought up a bit, there is more mid in the guitar sound. It's subtle but very well done and adds to the album. A bad example is what Mustaine did to the Megadeth catalogue.

Remastering is where an existing mix is EQ'd, compressed, etc as a whole. Any change is applied to all instruments. If the mix is shit, or if it's drenched in too much reverb for example, a remaster isn't going to fix that. In the early days of CDs, the same mastering job was used for records, CDs and tapes, which wasn't ideal. It has been a means, for a while, to simply sell a louder version of an album but occasionally can be quite dramatic and really improve the audio quality

A good example of an excellent remaster is comparing the original Spheres by Pestilence to the version which came out a few months ago. Same mix but they've brought the low end back and the thin sounding original is consigned to the past.

Most remasters are far from essential but there are the occasional gems which breathe life into an old recording. Some remixes are not sympathetic to the vibe of the original release but, again, you can't blanket them as good or bad. When done well, they can be worth the investment. Forbidden was long overdue a remix, it was a fucking terrible sounding album. Born Again and Dehumanizer too, should have been remixed. If the jobs have been done well it should give these albums a spark, if not, it'll just be one for the collections of completists.

[Uinsion]

Mixing.....

Great reply, thanks.

[londonleatherboy]

Mixing is where each track/instrument/mic can be adjusted individually (level, EQ, compression, reverb, etc) and can completely change the sound of a piece of music. A completed mix of a song is then Mastered to give a cohesive overall sound and volume level to an album.

An example of a good remix is the Relapse version of Human by Death compared to the original Relativity version. The drums and bass have been brought up a bit, there is more mid in the guitar sound. It's subtle but very well done and adds to the album. A bad example is what Mustaine did to the Megadeth catalogue.

Remastering is where an existing mix is EQ'd, compressed, etc as a whole. Any change is applied to all instruments. If the mix is shit, or if it's drenched in too much reverb for example, a remaster isn't going to fix that. In the early days of CDs, the same mastering job was used for records, CDs and tapes, which wasn't ideal. It has been a means, for a while, to simply sell a louder version of an album but occasionally can be quite dramatic and really improve the audio quality

A good example of an excellent remaster is comparing the original Spheres by Pestilence to the version which came out a few months ago. Same mix but they've brought the low end back and the thin sounding original is consigned to the past.

Most remasters are far from essential but there are the occasional gems which breathe life into an old recording. Some remixes are not sympathetic to the vibe of the original release but, again, you can't blanket them as good or bad. When done well, they can be worth the investment. Forbidden was long overdue a remix, it was a fucking terrible sounding album. Born Again and Dehumanizer too, should have been remixed. If the jobs have been done well it should give these albums a spark, if not, it'll just be one for the collections of completists.

Slightly off topic picked up the Skid Row atlantic years box set on cd and stuck on slave to the grind after a few cans...absolutely drenched in reverb...Unlistenable..Fecked it off and put on the original cd...havent gone near that box set since .

Back on topic looking forward to the new Sabbath one..great stuff on them albums

[jobrok1]

Take the money, Tony!

[Bürggermeister]

The whiff of Sharon is unmistakeable, even under the cloud of Iommi's dodgy colognes.

[Carnage]

That's mortifying for everyone involved. State of it.

[Bürggermeister]

On the subject of the oul Sabbath, I heard some of Steven Wilson's Technical Ecstacy remixes... it just seemed like he turned up the fluff you couldn't really hear in the original mix. As someone who actually likes Technical Ecstacy, it's fucking needless. There's nothing wrong with the original mix. Remix Born Again, yeah, but do it in a musical way, not in a "look at this shit which wasn't worth including in the original mix" way.

[Rust Puppets]

The first 3 albums are 3 of my favourite albums ever but if I have to choose I'll go with Paranoid and Master of Reality but all of the first 6 are classics and I really like all 3 of the Dio ones. I remember buying the We Sold our Souls for Rock n Roll compilation and Dehumanizer on cassette in Zhivago in Galway as a 16 year old and was instantly hooked, wore both of those tapes out. Born Again I like too, the mix never bothered me, I'm not too fussy about these things.

[GravyCapone]

I count The Devil You Know as the fourth Dio one, it's a Sabbath album to me even though they weren't allowed to use the name.

Top 2 is too hard my top 3 would be Mob Rules, Vol 4 and Sabbath Bloody Sabbath rotating order on an almost daily basis