Books

[Carnage]

A brilliant Parkinson/Ustinov compilation, well worth a watch:

https://youtu.be/SfxxEfdmn_Y

Remember when The Late Late Show had guests of this calibre (including him)?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Perhaps a sort of metonymic error in that criticism? Remember when there were celebrities of that calibre to interview, full stop! (Tbh, I have no idea what kind of person is invited on to the Late, Late Show these days.)

Any of you classics heads here read The Life and Opinions of Tristram Shandy? I picked it up a couple of years ago having read a couple of very short extracts and reviews and am just about to get into it now for a proper look. Not quite sure what to expect, a kind of Anglo-Irish Voltaire or closer to Swift.

[Carnage]

Perhaps a sort of metonymic error in that criticism? Remember when there were celebrities of that calibre to interview, full stop! (Tbh, I have no idea what kind of person is invited on to the Late, Late Show these days.)

Touché. If you like reality show nobodies, Mario Rosenstock and whoever else they can find wandering around the RTE canteen, it's all gravy. Imagine the RTE Guide, but moving. Fucking Tubridy is unwatchable, even worse than Kenny, if you can believe that.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

The RTE Guide but moving...haha, what an image!

[Eoin McLove]

Getting stuck into Graveyard Clay (Cré na Cille) by Máirtín Ó Cadhain. Only thirty pages in but it's off to an absurd start anyway. It feels like Lincoln in the Bardo turned up to 11!

[Scáthach]

Getting stuck into Graveyard Clay (Cré na Cille) by Máirtín Ó Cadhain. Only thirty pages in but it's off to an absurd start anyway. It feels like Lincoln in the Bardo turned up to 11!

Cool. There is a film of that. A bit like Waiting for Godot in a graveyard.

[Eoin McLove]

I'll see how I get on with the book.  If it doesn't melt my head I'll keep an eye out for the film.

[mugz]

just rereading house of leaves; figured it wouldn't be as awesome now, having got old, the world having changed, but it turns out it's still very good.

[Scáthach]

Finished Filth on Thursday and it was fantastic, prime Welsh.
Also finished 2 books of O9A stuff (Hostia and The Sinister Tradition). Absolute batshit crazy gobbledegook, but it satisfied my curiosity about the Order of Nine Angles.
Currently rereading The Luckiest Guy Alive by John Cooper Clarke. He's fucking hilarious and always lifts my mood.

[mugz]

Finished Filth on Thursday and it was fantastic, prime Welsh.
Also finished 2 books of O9A stuff (Hostia and The Sinister Tradition). Absolute batshit crazy gobbledegook, but it satisfied my curiosity about the Order of Nine Angles.
Currently rereading The Luckiest Guy Alive by John Cooper Clarke. He's fucking hilarious and always lifts my mood.

can you summarise the o9a stuff- I'm only after reading a small bit about it in metal hammer of all places

[mugz]

Finished Filth on Thursday and it was fantastic, prime Welsh.
Also finished 2 books of O9A stuff (Hostia and The Sinister Tradition). Absolute batshit crazy gobbledegook, but it satisfied my curiosity about the Order of Nine Angles.
Currently rereading The Luckiest Guy Alive by John Cooper Clarke. He's fucking hilarious and always lifts my mood.

can you summarise the o9a stuff- I'm only after reading a small bit about it in metal hammer of all places

never mind, it's all the usual geek-psychopathy stuff

[Bigmac]

Yeah I have those O9A books too, it's been a while but it seems Evola-esque in some ways. I can't remember exactly, but having read the O9A books, then Revolt Against the Modern World, I twigged some similarities in the phrasing of things, which made me ponder a connection.

The 7FW is a bit of a Nietzschean Übermensch style pursuit it seems. The physical challenges intrigued me a bit, as well as the primitive hunting requirements. Having ran marathons, and a keen interest in bush craft and outdoor survival, both seemed interesting.

The first three stages (Neophyte, Initiate, External Adept), seem to correspond with Calcination, Dissolution and Separation in alchemy, coming under the umbrella of the Nigredo phase. Almost akin to becoming acquainted with your Shadow, in Jung's terminology.

The next three (Internal Adept, Master, Grand Master) corresponding with Conjuction, Fermentation, and Distillation, or the Albedo phase.

Finally Immortal being the Coagulation or Rubedo phase.

I also enjoyed trying to figure out the symbolism in things like the Ceremony of Recalling.

Overall it's such a mad mix of Evola, Nietsche, and Jung, along with practical requirements, symbolism, Satanism, Paganism, and astronomy among other things, I can't help find it fascinating, if only for the amount of thought that seems to have gone into it. A quick search online will show just how prolific the writing has been.

The antinomian aspects do seem akin to other teachings such as Sabbatean Frankism, so I'm really not sure what to make of it.

Overall, having looked at it for a while some time ago, I'm honestly none the wiser about what it all tries to get across.

But, we should definitely bring back duelling.

[mugz]

Yeah I have those O9A books too, it's been a while but it seems Evola-esque in some ways. I can't remember exactly, but having read the O9A books, then Revolt Against the Modern World, I twigged some similarities in the phrasing of things, which made me ponder a connection.

The 7FW is a bit of a Nietzschean Übermensch style pursuit it seems. The physical challenges intrigued me a bit, as well as the primitive hunting requirements. Having ran marathons, and a keen interest in bush craft and outdoor survival, both seemed interesting.

The first three stages (Neophyte, Initiate, External Adept), seem to correspond with Calcination, Dissolution and Separation in alchemy, coming under the umbrella of the Nigredo phase. Almost akin to becoming acquainted with your Shadow, in Jung's terminology.

The next three (Internal Adept, Master, Grand Master) corresponding with Conjuction, Fermentation, and Distillation, or the Albedo phase.

Finally Immortal being the Coagulation or Rubedo phase.

I also enjoyed trying to figure out the symbolism in things like the Ceremony of Recalling.

Overall it's such a mad mix of Evola, Nietsche, and Jung, along with practical requirements, symbolism, Satanism, Paganism, and astronomy among other things, I can't help find it fascinating, if only for the amount of thought that seems to have gone into it. A quick search online will show just how prolific the writing has been.

The antinomian aspects do seem akin to other teachings such as Sabbatean Frankism, so I'm really not sure what to make of it.

Overall, having looked at it for a while some time ago, I'm honestly none the wiser about what it all tries to get across.

But, we should definitely bring back duelling.

You reach a point where it becomes predictable. Behind the variations, it's usually the same basket of tropes, rituals, terminologies.

I'm getting to the point where I realise how little I know about the world, but also there's a point where the creepiness and dislocation becomes so much, finding out more seems too much work.

[Bigmac]

What is that basket, then?

One thing that didn't seem to click is that it states it's a very old tradition,  the Rounwytha part in particular seems to claim very old heritage, but given National Socialism plays such a prominent role, that part at least can't predate National Socialist Germany.

It could be that it's the most useful tool in our current times, the way to connect to the darkest parts of ourselves and integrate them as per the Individuation process, and it took other forms in previous incarnations.

Interesting to ponder all the same.

[mugz]

What is that basket, then?

One thing that didn't seem to click is that it states it's a very old tradition,  the Rounwytha part in particular seems to claim very old heritage, but given National Socialism plays such a prominent role, that part at least can't predate National Socialist Germany.

It could be that it's the most useful tool in our current times, the way to connect to the darkest parts of ourselves and integrate them as per the Individuation process, and it took other forms in previous incarnations.

Interesting to ponder all the same.

I dunno, shadowside integration, karmic debts through reincarnations, the moon, the sun, the dark, the light, the black, the white, self mastery, reconnection to nature, eugenics, transcending societal mores, solve et coagula, hierarchies, breaking things down, recombining them, primal forces, primal entities etc

That usually makes up the general shape of things, even though they change the names here and there. Jung, Evola, Pike, all the doods. it was a big learning experience for me a while ago, but then I realised it's kind of both weird and dull.