Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 04, 2019, 12:36:36 PM
Quote from: Carnage on November 24, 2019, 02:11:09 AM
Quote from: kiehozero on November 23, 2019, 06:35:32 PMAlso got the Dayal Patterson book on black metal out of the library, amazingly it was just sat there in Stillorgan library on the front shelf.

*sitting

Sorry, that's someting I just can't let go.

I believe in the transitive form of the verb (appropriate here), this is acceptable. Someone "seated" the book there, and there it was sat.

It's actually very Tolkien-esque, though I'm not sure that was the original intention  :laugh: :abbath:

Quote from: Pedrito on December 04, 2019, 12:50:33 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 04, 2019, 12:36:36 PM
Quote from: Carnage on November 24, 2019, 02:11:09 AM
Quote from: kiehozero on November 23, 2019, 06:35:32 PMAlso got the Dayal Patterson book on black metal out of the library, amazingly it was just sat there in Stillorgan library on the front shelf.

*sitting

Sorry, that's someting I just can't let go.

I believe in the transitive form of the verb (appropriate here), this is acceptable. Someone "seated" the book there, and there it was sat.

It's actually very Tolkien-esque, though I'm not sure that was the original intention  :laugh: :abbath:

Ugh I hate "was sat/stood". Usually said in a manky accent.

Still not convinced it's grammatically correct. "There it sat/was sitting" , surely?

If it's correct, then it's correct only in the transitive form, and to be honest it's pretty clear the OP was trying to use it in the reflexive, but if we're to be grammar nazis, let's at least be didactic ones  :P  :abbath:

Unrelated, but is there any chance of a Varg with a knife emoji to complement the Abbath with an axe one??

Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 04, 2019, 01:38:25 PM
Unrelated, but is there any chance of a Varg with a knife emoji to complement the Abbath with an axe one??
I'll second this....  :abbath:

I don't think 'seat' is used as a verb anymore, was it ever correct grammar to do so? It certainly wouldn't apply to a book, or any inanimate object, as far as I can tell, maybe I'm wrong.

Either way, as Emphyrio said, that use of 'sat'/'stood' is infuriating, sounds terrible, and is quite incorrect grammatically.

Of course it's still used a verb; every instance of "Where are you seated?" (concerts, conferences, formal dinners, etc., etc.) implies that you have been "sat" by someone.

From the OED (apparently... I found it via Google though):

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The transitive verb to seat meaning "to cause to sit down" is first cited in 1623's Henry VIII. Seated meaning "sitting down" is an adjective derived from the transitive verb to seat, and whose earliest citation in English is from Scott in 1817.

The simple past and the past participle of the much older verb to sit are both simply sat, and nothing more. Its reflexive and transitive senses, respectively meaning "to seat oneself" and "to cause someone to be seated", date from time immemorial. Some relevant citations for the "I am sat" sort of sense include:

- The Middle English work Cursor Mundi has "þe folk ware satte" ["the folk were sat"].
- A 1711 citation that includes "The Court was sat".
- An 1803 citation of "Where‥Hermon and his friend were sate."

It is interesting to note that the older sate spelling includes several 19th citations, including Thackeray's Vanity Fair of 1848.

WASN'T THAT INTERESTING TO NOTE???

Been sat here all morning watching interviews with Alan Moore.  Payday tomorrow.  Fuck it,  I'm going to pick up Jerusalem, just try and stop me, you sitting sat seated suckers of cock.

Yon tome shall be sat upon thine bookshelf, bereft of considetation, for many's the year, methinks.

That is interesting to note. I, however, shall ignore it as obsolete and superfluous use of language.

I was responding to McLove there  :laugh: I know whst you're talking about, the Jamie Redknapp 'we wuz sat 'ere watching the first 'alf of the match' thing....horrible, and certainly not evoking the writings of Tolkien.

Quote from: Pedrito on December 04, 2019, 04:00:59 PM
'we wuz sat 'ere watching the first 'alf of the match'

That's a perfect example of it. It's rotten!

Quote from: Pedrito on December 04, 2019, 03:40:40 PM
Yon tome shall be sat upon thine bookshelf, bereft of considetation, for many's the year, methinks.

Have you attempted it? Stinker? I'm reticent about going near a picture book despite knowing I'd probably enjoy it (snob till death) and I'm hoping that something more literary will do it for me as I really like his ideas,  as whacky as they often are.

Quote from: Pedrito on December 04, 2019, 04:00:59 PM
I was responding to McLove there  :laugh: I know whst you're talking about, the Jamie Redknapp 'we wuz sat 'ere watching the first 'alf of the match' thing....horrible, and certainly not evoking the writings of Tolkien.

Nah, I was responding to BSC. 👍