Brexit

[Emphyrio]

A couple defected today alright, so a general election looks likely. Is it going to be a case of the Lib Dems and Labour splitting the vote of those who are either Remainers and Anti-No Dealers but still leaving the hardcore Conservatives with a majority?

[Pedrito]

What a shitshow

[Eoin McLove]

Ah no,  it looks like they have finally got a handle on things. Fair play,  lads.

[Pedrito]

 

It was only ever going to end up this way. Back to the people now to decide where they go from here.

[Eoin McLove]

Even if they held another referendum and decided to stay,  I wonder how long it would take to mend all the fragmentation that the process has caused.

[Eoin McLove]

Or brought to light rather than caused,  maybe.

[Juggz]

Great drama. There are some total cunts in that place, real vile individuals. It's incredible that such obvious human filth can get elected and says much about the ones voting them in. What was noticeable was the lack of talk of alternatives to a backstop. It was brought up by a couple of MPs but continually danced around and the topic quickly changed. Many of the more animated Brexiters gave the impression of not giving a flying fuck about NI, yet this is who the DUP have thrown their lot in with. For all the continuous talk of "getting a deal" and not restricting Johnson's ability to do so, little recognition was given to the GFA and the implications of a border. It's clear no fucks at all are given about alternatives to the backstop by the current cabinet, they blindly want this no matter what the implications are to the people of NI. Interesting to see Sylvia Hermon speak out and vote against the government while the DUP vote for chaos for those they claim to represent.

[Juggz]

Even if they held another referendum and decided to stay,  I wonder how long it would take to mend all the fragmentation that the process has caused.

I don't think it will mend. I don't think the Brexit fanatics see the harm their zealotry is causing. Hermon sees no-deal as sending people into the arms of Sinn Fein. The SNP see this as their ticket to Scottish independence and it's hard to argue with them. This is coming across as London looking after London and fuck the consequences for everyone else. The arrogance of Rees-Mogg was staggering last night.

[Wiseblood]

He looked a proper cunt slouched across the benches last night.

[Kunt 4 Life]

What the fuck was he at? Was he making a point or something? Or was he just a lazy bastard. For someone who proudly says he's never worn jeans or changed a nappy, he looked like a lout .

[Eoin McLove]

Just a slimey, arrogant shitstain.

[Ollkiller]

Just a slimey, arrogant shitstain.

He sure is. And (link below) has his company in offshore tax havens so Brexit works really well for him. The EU is trying to bring in laws to tax these havens so Brexit has the luxury of keeping his company away from those taxes. Follow the money.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/09/brexiters-put-money-offshore-tax-haven

[Pedrito]

As much as he might be a posh twat, there are a tonne of people in the U.K. who keep money offshore, Brexiteers, Non-Brexiteers, Monarchists,Separatists etc. It's the usual smearing that takes place around these issues.

On a related note and far more pertinent note though, it would be interesting to understand what Brexit would mean for the likes of Google, Paypal, Amazon etc, who suck money out of the UK market at a phenomenal rate. If we look at the £10.9bn that Amazon made last year on which they only paid £220m in tax, there is something seriously wrong with those numbers. Ireland along with the EU, by my layman understanding, has enabled a lot of that flow of money out of the country and I would wonder what would happen as a result.

This is all very similar to Trump taking on China, but when you're being held over a barrel bleeding money, maybe things need to change.

Again, I'm not fitting the Anti Brexit narrative here because it is important to understand the reasons why Brexit might make sense as opposed to a 'they're all fucking thick' response, which, quite frankly, I don/ buy for one second.

The consequences for Ireland are frightening tbh. I worked for nearly a decade in Dublin in client/merchant services for one of the UK's biggest payment providers. The portfolio that I looked after were companies that did around £400m anually of which the portion they paid on those profits to us, all filters out of the UK, through Ireland, out the back door to the Carribean. When I think that I worked in a team of 20-30, that has grown even more in the last 10 years, the financial aspect is massive.

I know countless people working in similar roles all around Dublin. They're not working on the Irish market but on the UK market.

Anyone here working in a similar capacity and what is the general feeling in workplaces around Brexit?

Aside from that, it seems the house of lords may have a role to play yet in all this, delaying yesterday's bill to the point that it will be defeated..the plot thickens.

[Juggz]

The Tory Lords are trying to get it theough now so they can resume trying to get Corbyn to agree to an election. If they can’t get Labour to agree to an election before they themselves close Parliament next week then there won’t be an election before the Brexit deadline in October. You couldn’t make it up.

[Eoin McLove]

So the UK could end up leaving the EU without a deal and without a government in place to make a deal?