Brexit

[hellfire]

Shocked at the level of incompetence on display from UK politicians. Not one bit shocked that the EU and remainders did everything to fuck it up. They have had two years to organize this shit. Country before party seems to be a forgotten sentiment.

[Pedrito]

A perfect example of the shitshow that party politics has become..you've hit the nail on the head. They'll do anything to win their petty little games. It actually makes our bunch look rather mature, FF propping up a FG govt. Like them or loathe them, a lot of pride was swallowed to allow those 2 parties to work together. I thought Brexit wasn't a bad idea but it's getting out of hand now.

[Eoin McLove]

When Brexit finally leads to the Eirepocalypse I'll head to Oz, have sex with a kangaroo and 'make it' on YouTube,  then spend the next five years appearing on Celebrity Medieval Torture Rack, Celebrity Amputation,  Celebrity Cadaver on Ice,  Celebrity Flaming Gapers and all the other unwatchable celebrity vomit before overdosing on vitamin D tablets and dying of sunstroke.

[hellfire]

I've always wanted to see you in glorious union with a kangaroo, Andy. Aye Pedrito, pretty shameful stuff. As I said earlier in the thread Varadkar is doing us no favours by siding with the EU on this one.

[Emphyrio]

I thought between the EU and Varadkar, there'd be a certain amount of capitulation. In all fairness, and as smug a fucker as he is, Leo has done very well throughout all this.

[Pedrito]

I personally think Varadkar is a bit too EU chummy. Imagine if we pushed more and demeanded more, a kind of middle ground somewhere? This is the same lot that were after our Corporation tax a few years ago. They'd rather see us a little bit crippled like southern Europe and dependent on them. We should be in there demanding soft borders and different arrangements with our closest market. It must be a symptom of colonialization, how utterly compliant we are every time 'Masser' clicks his fingers. A little bit of roguishness wouldn't do us any harm.

[Wiseblood]

Much as I hate Varadker, he's still part of a club that the UK want out of. Of course he's going to side with the EU as it's in our best interests to do so. Imagine if he sided with the UK. We'd effectively be pandering to them and it would kick off talk of Ireland leaving the EU. For all it's flaws, this country would be fucked without EU support and funding.

[Juggz]

Ehhh... has a frictionless border not been the cornerstone of everything for the last 6 months? If the British want to have no border (and it looks like many of the most ardent Brexiteer types, DUP included would welcome a return to one regardless of the consequences) then the agreement between the EU and the UK needs to be in place before they leave. There has to be alignment in border law or there will be a border. They're trying not to be tied to EU law, which is fine, without bringing an alternative, which is stupid. There is nothing in place and they're not offering a legally viable alternative. They're a shambles.

And who should we side with, if not the EU? We are the EU. Should we really be cheering the British, who are tearing their democracy apart, driven by jingoistic idealism, blatant lies and now trying to exert their will against Ireland's interests? For all their talk of not treating NI differently from the rest of the UK, their no-deal tariff structure contains rules designed to negatively impact Ireland. Goods can go from Ireland to NI with no tariff. Super. However, if those goods go through NI to the mainland UK, they are subject to tariffs. Fuck them. Underhanded cunts.

[Juggz]

Now it looks like they're going to vote for the third time on the same withdrawal agreement. I can see this being painted as "you keep voting until you vote the way the EU wants you to vote" but, seriously, what credible alternative have any of the hardline, or anyone else, to be frank, proposed? It's a backstop until a trade deal is in place or it's hard exit. Are there really any other options?

[Eoin McLove]

If this gridlock continues could the lack of a second referendum be viewed as being negligent on the government's part? The parting of ways with the EU is proving to be so completely divisive that it is pulling Westminster apart from all sides. Why not abandon it and go back to the drawing board with the possibility of approaching it again in ten years after they have a plan in place! Or are the EU likely to take them back with the proviso that they don't try to leave again?

[Caomhaoin]

I have a morbid curiousity about how all this is going to pan out. Granted, I'd probably be singing a different tune if I was at home...

[hellfire]

  Tearing their democracy apart by moving towards being ruled by elected leaders instead of appointed ones. It wasn't so long ago the EU saw fit to mortgage Ireland to protect private investors. They are not our friends.

[Eoin McLove]

Not tearing democracy apart but maybe getting tangled up in do much detail as to be paralysed.

[Pedrito]

They're right to push back against the EU superstate, but they could give themselves a helping hand instead of arseing around so much

[hellfire]

The handling of it has been monstrous. Boris and company fled the scene of the crime and the remainers willfully damaged their own country in order to prove a rather shitty ideological point.