The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade

[Lunar blood]

At that protest, all the people of Coolock, Finglas, Crumlin etc that have an issue with IPAS centres are filthy far-right scum and have no right to complain.

But all the lawyers, media figures and politicians who live in D4 that successfully blocked an IPAS centre for the Sachs hotel last week are just "concerned residents" and entitled to their say.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

If only the former realized it's the latter (equally bigotted bunch) who are their real adversaries!

[The Butcher]

What I think gets lost in the conversation is that most of our population growth is legal immigration from the EU.

And practically full employment, so, economically they are needed.

God forbid lads we get a bit of wage inflation instead. I would argue the point also - economically in what areas exactly? If you say construction, I remember reading somewhere, people coming in related to that area in terms of skills was only less than 5% of the people. If you say nursing, we trained one of the highest amounts of nurses per capita in the OECD. Yet the vast majority will end up emigrating elsewhere and don't tell me that all because they want to travel the world. Common sense will tell you if you pay properly with decent working conditions we wouldn't be discussing it. The central bank literally came out and say we need more migrants to keep wages down. Think of your own working sector - if we flooded that with cheap labour I don't think you'd be happy with the outcome of that. Sure with nursing, there's a recruitment freeze within the HSE yet an exemption for overseas nurses, two tiered system, HSE doesn't want to give permanent roles, they want agency staff, cheaper long term. My point is, without a proper immigration system with having a decent idea of X numbers in, Y numbers out, you can't realistically plan for the future of anything. And I'm near confident bar the 2004 post EU enlargement - from say 2014 onwards - that most of the migration is from non-EU sources, esp nowadays. 86,000 2023-2024 were from non-eu countries for example if you check the CSO website.

There's also the real concern of AI wiping out tons of jobs in the 2030s - again there's no thought put into any of this from government. I think we all agree on the vulture funds, the pension funds, blackrock types picking up vast sweeps of housing units across the country. The idea we need more people just for the sole purpose of the economy and to hell with any other consequences for society, is just baffling to me. I've seen what "progress" is in other countries/cities...all I can say is NOPE.

*edit* - Less than 4% of work permits issued in 2024 were in the construction sector. Construction workers per capita - OECD average 3.3%, Ireland it's 6% - so running high migration rates still maintains housing shortages which was my original point that was skimmed over

 https://enterprise.gov.ie/en/publications/employment-permit-statistics-2024.html

[Lunar blood]

If only the former realized it's the latter (equally bigotted bunch) who are their real adversaries!

I don't think lacking awareness is the key here as much as it's the latter deliberately misrepresenting the former every time. I would have just called it plain own hypocrisy.
 

[Trev]

Yeah my wife is a nurse and she'd day practically every Irish person that qualifies is gone within two years. Can't blame them, wages are shit, increments are shit compared to other public service jobs, and it's so understaffed the hospitals are falling apart

Successive government's have been happy to watch the HSE fall apart over the years, and the INMO as a union is absolutely toothless and won't stand up for them

[Emphyrio]

What I think gets lost in the conversation is that most of our population growth is legal immigration from the EU.

And practically full employment, so, economically they are needed.

God forbid lads we get a bit of wage inflation instead. I would argue the point also - economically in what areas exactly? If you say construction, I remember reading somewhere, people coming in related to that area in terms of skills was only less than 5% of the people. If you say nursing, we trained one of the highest amounts of nurses per capita in the OECD. Yet the vast majority will end up emigrating elsewhere and don't tell me that all because they want to travel the world. Common sense will tell you if you pay properly with decent working conditions we wouldn't be discussing it. The central bank literally came out and say we need more migrants to keep wages down. Think of your own working sector - if we flooded that with cheap labour I don't think you'd be happy with the outcome of that. Sure with nursing, there's a recruitment freeze within the HSE yet an exemption for overseas nurses, two tiered system, HSE doesn't want to give permanent roles, they want agency staff, cheaper long term. My point is, without a proper immigration system with having a decent idea of X numbers in, Y numbers out, you can't realistically plan for the future of anything. And I'm near confident bar the 2004 post EU enlargement - from say 2014 onwards - that most of the migration is from non-EU sources, esp nowadays. 86,000 2023-2024 were from non-eu countries for example if you check the CSO website.

It was nursing that I had in mind as I can only speak from an area that I've been privvy to. The wards seemed to be about 60% foreign workers in the wards I saw.

The issue is housing. We have loads of nurses qualifiying as you correctly point out. In Dublin, a couple, both nurses/teachers/guards can't get a mortgage. So, nurses will fuck off somewhere where they can have a decent standard of living. They need to be replaced, so we have, imo, welcome and needed immigration.

Teachers, as above, can't get a mortgage. However, they can flake off for 5 years according to their terms and conditions. So they head off to Dubai, earn a fortune, come back and buy a house. But the reason an awful lot of em fuck off in the first place is lack/cost of housing.

I am completely against open borders letting anyone in and I'm glad that the gov finally seem to be trying to make the process much quicker. How successful that will be remains to be seen.

[astfgyl]

Couple of mates of mine are in the UAE doing the teacher thing, and have wanted to come back for the last couple of years but the cost of living here is keeping them where they are and they tell me most over there are in the same situation that they can live well over there but the lifestyle change in coming back here would be too much for them.

Surely an unprecedented programme for building houses is what's needed because the situation is dire as it is. Not that we haven't seen that coming for a long time

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

If only the former realized it's the latter (equally bigotted bunch) who are their real adversaries!

I don't think lacking awareness is the key here as much as it's the latter deliberately misrepresenting the former every time. I would have just called it plain own hypocrisy.
 

They're not misrepresenting them imo: outright racism is absolutely rife. I see it in my own family and their friends (folk living in North Strand, East Wall, Tallaght). Hypocrisy, absolutely: but in the sense that those D4 FFG voters are just as racist themselves. They're just more reserved about how they manifest it.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

On point: couple of days ago, my cousin shared a "joke" in the WhatsApp chat for his stag about there never having been a black pope because they run away whenever they're called "father." I said to him, in private chat, "You know when I was growing up I had to listen to southsiders telling those exact paternity jokes about northsiders..?" They're constantly ranting outright racism about Ukrainians too, not to mention all the misinformation. Rife.

[open face surgery]

Good joke.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Lemme dig into 30 year old memory stores and see what I can find.