Theories of the conspiratorial kind

[mickO)))]

I was in the Twin Towers a week before.

So was I. I remember being so disappointed that the queue for the Empire state building was too big so we had to settle for the Twin Towers of course now I am glad I got to see them.

[Cailleach]

Well if ever there was a day for a few theories, it must be the anniversary of the WTC demolition.

So I think it was either a fix, or allowed to happen for strategic reasons.

Anyone?

I would not put it past elements of the US Government to allow it to happen, but still i think the truth always has a habit of emerging. In such a vast conspiracy some one would break rank and spill the beans.  It is still hard to believe it could happen, but humans can be incompetence, also they are egoistical - with the latter in mind, US intelligence and security agencies were not in the habit of sharing information so it's not that difficult to see how information that might have led to the attack being foiled was missed.

[astfgyl]

Yeah to be fair I am surprised that nothing has come out from anyone on the inside as of yet. It has been almost 20 years. Still no explanation as to why Building 7 was demolished though, or how anyone had the foresight to rig it for collapse. Of course that is only one view, and there is another that says it went on fire due to the collapse of Buildings 1 and 2 and fell down by itself.

Also several elements of the Pentagon being hit by a plane are dubious from a piloting skill point of view.

Then there is the outcome, which led the U.S. to two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan but not Saudi Arabia, where the hijackers came from.

It's sort of a case of lots of things not adding up right, but I will certainly concede there is no actual concrete proof that it was an inside job, and it does seem unlikely that none has come out in two decades. I lean more towards it being known and let happen or something along those lines, but then the likes of Operation Northwoods shows that the U.S. had at least looked into the possibility of orchestrating an attack on their own soil and blaming it on another country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods, so I don't think it beyond the realms of possibility that the U.S. would carry out such an operation on their own citizens.

[mickO)))]

Yeah to be fair I am surprised that nothing has come out from anyone on the inside as of yet. It has been almost 20 years.

I don't think it's that surprising the majority of people think JFK was an inside job and nothing has really come out about that. If they can kill one of the few good presidents the US has ever had then I think anything is possible. Wasn't it the CIA that coined the term conspiracy theory in order to dismiss anyone who strays from the narrative as a lunatic. It has been working well for them so far.

[Trev]

Wasn't it the CIA that coined the term conspiracy theory in order to dismiss anyone who strays from the narrative as a lunatic. It has been working well for them so far.

No it was around about 100 years before the CIA was even formed...unless they forged all the older documents containing the phrase to throw people off...

[astfgyl]

I dunno who coined the term, but I do know it is widely used to brush things off which may otherwise cause people to think a bit harder. Then again, if I have a theory that says the wtc was a bit dicey and it would have to involve a lot of folks conspiring to make it happen, I can hardly complain if someone paints it as a conspiracy theory.

[mickO)))]

Yeah but the problem is the term is associated with paid for shills like David Icke and Alex Jones who intentionally push crazy conspiracies along with the plausible ones to make most people dismiss anything they discuss. 

[astfgyl]

Yeah agreed. That is the issue I have with it, too. Like if I think we are being conned on a worldwide scale right now for example, then I must also think that the earth is flat.

[Bigmac]

Enjoyed this, the voice is great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXnQoFeVQII&ab_channel=Snordster

[astfgyl]

Fuck, if I apply that litmus test, I'll have no one left to talk to!

[Cailleach]

Yeah to be fair I am surprised that nothing has come out from anyone on the inside as of yet. It has been almost 20 years. Still no explanation as to why Building 7 was demolished though, or how anyone had the foresight to rig it for collapse. Of course that is only one view, and there is another that says it went on fire due to the collapse of Buildings 1 and 2 and fell down by itself.

Also several elements of the Pentagon being hit by a plane are dubious from a piloting skill point of view.

Then there is the outcome, which led the U.S. to two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan but not Saudi Arabia, where the hijackers came from.

It's sort of a case of lots of things not adding up right, but I will certainly concede there is no actual concrete proof that it was an inside job, and it does seem unlikely that none has come out in two decades. I lean more towards it being known and let happen or something along those lines, but then the likes of Operation Northwoods shows that the U.S. had at least looked into the possibility of orchestrating an attack on their own soil and blaming it on another country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods, so I don't think it beyond the realms of possibility that the U.S. would carry out such an operation on their own citizens.

There is also The Project for a New American Century document to consider. This document called for a Cataclysmic event to gear public opinion towards  supporting foreign wars.
One of its chief architects was Richard Perle, who seemed to be on every channel  in the lead up to Iraq War advocating for the war. I certainly would not  past it some in the US would to have no qualms with allowing the attacks to happen to further their geo- political aims.

[astfgyl]

Quote from that Project thing:

In September 2000 PNAC released "Rebuilding America's Defenses" a report that promotes "the belief that America should seek to preserve and extend its position of global leadership by maintaining the preeminence of U.S. military forces." The report also states, "advanced forms of biological warfare that can "target" specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool." [22] [23] [24]

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Maybe this point has been addressed within the conspiracy bubble, but if it was an inside job, then why didn't they put people/passports on the planes that were Afghani and Iraqi rather than having everyone pretty quickly find out (via Michael Moore, for example) that the strongest connection was actually Saudi?

[Bigmac]

It seems some conspiratorial circles come to the conclusion that the attacks were orchestrated by Israel (dancing Isreali's etc), and I've also read that the Saudi Royal family are actually Donmeh, so some connection there could potentially answer that.

I've not looked into it enough to provide anything more than conjecture though.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Well, not really, because then you have to kind of dance between several different narratives in order for it to make sense. Passports were planted, yes or no? Passports were manipulated, yes or no? Attacks were US orchestrated inside job in order to garner domestic support for increased US military intervention, yes or no? But in that case, why use Saudis and/or why plant Saudi passports? And so on and so forth. Obviously I can't deal with every possible conspiracy theory in one go, I'm only talking about the supposed "inside job" one. Or maybe the powers that be were relying on the general ignorance of a large part of the US population to just say "NUKE THE WHOLE FUCKIN' MIDDLE EAST!", which is essentially what many of them said, meaning that it didn't matter which specific country the passports were from as long as they were countries associated with sand and the photos were of lads with towels on their heads.