Theories of the conspiratorial kind

[Carnage]

Can we just call this thread 'The Tin Foil Hat Brigade' and be done with it?

you're not really in a position to say that when your have a goatagram as your avatar

Have you looked at it closely? It's like totally serious.

[Bigmac]

How are the details of how it works upsetting, Mugz?

Genuinely intrigued, not shitting you along.

[mugz]

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[astfgyl]

The BBC doc I watched about infinity didn't have Brian Cox in it. I'll look it up and fire up a link for anyone interested. It's grand to sit back at times and think about stuff like that, which I'll never get to the bottom of, as it somewhat flexes the brain. As much as these lads on most of the docs are entry level stuff, I still think they are capable of providing me with entertainment. Feynman for example has a sort of contagious enthusiasm about him and even if I was in disagreement with him, it's difficult for me to see him and Cox and the likes of Marcus Du Sautoy as evil or being intentionally misleading even though they all have a point of their own to push.

I'd love to see where you are getting your ideas from Mugz. You seem like a learned enough fellow but at the same time very reluctant to point anyone towards where you're getting this from. Like the four points you wrote out for me are extremely difficult to accept as anything other than some cryptic thing that I'm not smart enough to understand. If you could simplify it a bit for the uninitiated I'd certainly read into it. Is there a 101 video or anything like that?

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[astfgyl]

I wonder if what everyone is allowed to know is so limited, do BigMac and Scathach know any more than you do really? Or more than I do for that matter?

Not really being smart here, I would just like to know where ye lads get the info from beyond a general feeling that everything is wrong. Like I feel that covid and George Floyd are being manipulated on a grand scale but I have no idea to what end beyond the selling of things and the making of money, and the chances are that there is no grand plan and instead lots of mini plans at play at once but all involving the making of money. The other idea I have around the covid is the simple one, that no one really understands it yet because it's too new and as mundane as that seems I wouldn't rule that possibility out either.

I think there are lots of the theories that have foundation, like I think 9/11 was a sort of false flag thing, but I wouldn't be into the whole "truther" thing, and I don't see how my thoughts around the demolition of the WTCs might naturally lead to thinking the earth is flat or that we're all living in the matrix. Like we are only living in a subjective reality, but that is true for all creatures is it not

[Scáthach]

Banana-nose Maldonado shot JFK.  Nothing is true, everything is permitted.

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[astfgyl]

I wonder if what everyone is allowed to know is so limited, do BigMac and Scathach know any more than you do really? Or more than I do for that matter?

Not really being smart here, I would just like to know where ye lads get the info from beyond a general feeling that everything is wrong. Like I feel that covid and George Floyd are being manipulated on a grand scale but I have no idea to what end beyond the selling of things and the making of money, and the chances are that there is no grand plan and instead lots of mini plans at play at once but all involving the making of money. The other idea I have around the covid is the simple one, that no one really understands it yet because it's too new and as mundane as that seems I wouldn't rule that possibility out either.

I think there are lots of the theories that have foundation, like I think 9/11 was a sort of false flag thing, but I wouldn't be into the whole "truther" thing, and I don't see how my thoughts around the demolition of the WTCs might naturally lead to thinking the earth is flat or that we're all living in the matrix. Like we are only living in a subjective reality, but that is true for all creatures is it not

well in the last 5 years I've learned to spot people who know a lot. in fairness many will tell you directly if they think you can handle it, and you're clever enough to cope. so while I know some stuff I'm fully aware it's kind of throwaway stuff for people who are determined to know, but can't be relied on to cope with real knowledge

the name George in itself is one small clue, but a rose by any other name, actually one thing I did learn a long time ago is trust noone, and play a very tight game, and while some might slag you off, don't be afraid to ask childish questions- in some ways you get proper answers. Nothing's quite how it seems, but knowing that is kinda a burden.

I am having a hard time deciding if you are taking the piss or not. Have you any actual anything you can tell me, so I may have the option of considering it or are you genuinely going to keep giving the Sunday Independent Cryptic Clue type of answer?

Nothing is true, everything is permitted.

Care to elaborate?

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[Bigmac]

I feel like I'm getting some undue credit here, what have I said that would make you think I know more than you, mugz?

Seems like you've dug far deeper into many things than I.

I can't verify much of what you've said, but you've some interesting ideas.

Having had some mad experiences myself, I'm open to the idea of reality being far more than what it seems, but I'm none the wiser these days about what that could be.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

There's this quite fascinating three part documentary called Cracking the Shakespeare Code, which on the surface is an exploration of the "conspiracy theory" that Shakespeare was actually Francis Bacon. But if you watch the whole thing from a detached vantage point, with respect to any commitment regarding the true biographical person of the Bard, then what you also get is an almost three hour unfolding observational study of the pattern-forming mind at its most unbridled; exegesis led almost entirely by a doctrine of signatures and resemblance, applied meticulously but liberally to all and sundry, just to get everything to fit a narrative. Which, in light of the Francis Bacon quote I placed in my first post here, is ironic to say the least.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNL0XODSMwU

In order to know the world, it is at least as important in parallel to try to "know thyself", since the unfettered self, endlessly auto-confirming, is the worst enemy of insight.

[Bigmac]

I think there are lots of the theories that have foundation, like I think 9/11 was a sort of false flag thing, but I wouldn't be into the whole "truther" thing, and I don't see how my thoughts around the demolition of the WTCs might naturally lead to thinking the earth is flat or that we're all living in the matrix. Like we are only living in a subjective reality, but that is true for all creatures is it not

I think some of that is purposely done.

The Conspiracy Theory umbrella purposely incorporates some unbelievable and easily ridiculed ideas, so when something they don't want you to investigate is labelled a 'Conspiracy Theory', mentioning it to other people immediately evokes mockery, and condescension, and images of you believing lizards control the flat earth via 5G.

Essentially, pertinent topics that get labelled as Conspiracy Theories, have their own built in defence mechanisms.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Postulate, for practical purposes, an infinite number of freely acting, pattern recognizing, theory generating agents; place all of them in an insurmountably complex, plastic and modifiable environment; this system will return an exponentially increasing number of theories over time, tending asymptotically towards an infinite number. There is no "they" who are independent of that system; there's only an "us", complicating things for ourselves by the very act of trying to simplify them; Ptolemaics furiously drawing epicycles all over existence, saving whatever appearances we are personally attached to.