The Donald vs Big Tech

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

The majority of people have no issue with immigrants full stop. The majority of the minority who (explicitly or implicitly) do have an anti-immigration stance don't tend to take the time to ask themselves whether the "foreign" individuals they're persecuting have entered the country legally or not. 

[The Butcher]

Are you sure about that? Any polling I've seen it's usually a majority support for a more closed immigration policy.

May 2024: An Irish Times/Ipsos MRBI poll indicated that 63% of respondents supported a more closed immigration policy, 15% favored a more open policy, and 16% felt the current policy was appropriate.

May 2024: A Red C/The Business Post poll found that 75% of people believed Ireland is accepting too many refugees.

February 2024: An Irish Independent/Ireland Thinks poll revealed that 56% of respondents felt Ireland had taken in too many refugees in the past year.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

There's a slight but meaningful difference between people who have "a problem" with immigrants and people who (genuinely) only have a problem with volume of immigration. I didn't word very well.

[Mooncat]

Whereas I'd say Canada is definitely more liberal than the UK and Ireland, it's still about the same mix as anywhere in the world with cities swinging more left and rural areas right. I've lived here for over 10yrs now and it was about the same as anywhere where it was kind of normal when I arrived, took the big left swing like everywhere else, then the backlash, and is now leaning more right (though still a bit more left of back home overall).

Trudeau is obviously gone now either way, but it does look like the liberals are in for what the conservatives got in the UK, a crushing defeat no matter who takes over. I don't think Canadians are super keen on the conservatives or Poilievre, but they 100% don't want the liberals anymore.

As Chris mentions though it will be interesting to see how Trump may affect the voters if his rhetoric continues. There's a small group of people who want to become the 51st state, but overall the overwhelming majority reject it strongly, including the leaders of all the major political parties. Canadians are very proud to be Canadian, and have history with the US on the independence front, so no way that is happening.

The rumours are that it's just Trump's usual clumsy business tactics, IE ask for something completely unreasonable, and then when you ask for what you actually want which would have been unreasonable before, you might have a chance of getting it. In this case all to do with trade deals and money.

Edit: for the record, I think if Trump actually does start to try and follow through on all these claims I think he ends up Luigi'd fairly quickly...

[Ducky]

I'm genuinely surprised that the reprehensible sack of orange shit hasn't been Luigi'd starting at least half a century ago.