The Donald vs Big Tech

[Caomhaoin]

If you're only going on what commentators said, presumably biased ones if they're calling him the least qualified candidate of all time, you are posting first, researching later. What is the purpose of doing that? What was that line from Mediations? Stop and consider if it's necessary.

The Mathew Hopkins stuff that you're pulling on this thread non-stop, I really don't get it. I get my reaction to it even less so there you go.

Lloyd Austin was perfectly qualified, no arguments there.

Tattoos that are a Christian form of Islamophobia? Give me a break lad.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

If you're only going on what commentators said

I'm responding to you quoting what you heard from Tim fucking Pool! Get the fuck outta here.

[Caomhaoin]

I checked it elsewhere, he has bronze stars and Princeton degrees. You're the one coming on here, for whatever reason, to slander the man in the most half—baked, first year arts student way possible. So don't let the door hit you on the arse etc.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

The commentator I was quoting was veteran Paul Rieckhoff, and I also then went to check how Hegseth's record compared to, notably, that of the sitting Secretary. By comparison, even including his two bronze stars and his two Ivy school degrees, he's under-qualified for the role. See? I'm not contesting he has bronze stars and two degrees: I'm saying he can have them and still be the least qualified in US history. And there's no slander in what I said either. If I wanted to slander him I'd be going on about stuff totally unrelated to his fitness for the role like, oh I dunno, how he must be an absolute hypocrite of an Evangelical Christian since he's been married three times, divorced twice, and it's well known that he cheated on the first two.

[Caomhaoin]

You're implying he's an (I'm loathe to use this dumb, made—up word) islamophobe because of his tattoos. Which is both wilfully stupid and slanderous.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

1. He served at Guantanamo and defended the mistreatment of (almost exclusively Arab/Muslim) inmates there. The Islamophobic nature of the abuse and torture he is therefore de facto defending is not really contested. You can contest it if you like, but I'm not really interested in what you might have heard from Tim Pool or a cos-playing SS youtuber about the facts of the matter.

2. On top of that de facto defense of Islamophobic abuse and torture, he has two large tattoos which are an homage to the Crusades in which countless numbers of Muslim and Jewish civilians were slaughtered by "Christians."

Those two things taken together, coupled with the general anti-Muslim bent of Evangelical Christianity as a whole, imply very, very strongly that Hegseth is indeed himself an Islamophobe. A conclusion which is both willfully evidence-based and measured.

[Caomhaoin]

The anti-Muslim bent of evangelical Christianity? That's a stretch.

How do you know the mistreatment of prisoners who happened to be Muslim religiously motivated? Yeah, you don't. Just a convenient assumption.

You, supposedly a heavy metal fan, condemning a fella because of tattoos is fucking pathetic. A homage to the crusades? Yeah I'm sure that's why he got it, and even if he did,So what? Does every expression of loyalty to Christianity have to have some sinister undertone? You're tapped lad.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

The anti-Muslim bent of evangelical Christianity? That's a stretch.

Not a stretch at all, you're just under-informed about the true nature of Evangelical Christianity. I was raised in it. Again, I recommend the same documentary, Praying For Armageddon, for a decent introduction to the driving ideologies.

Guantanamo Bay has often been called a symbol of Islamophobia. Like I said, you can contest that if you like, but unless you've got something really concrete to challenge the reams of documented evidence which combine to point in that direction, I'm not interested.

Finally, whatever about being charitable towards the Jerusalem Cross (though I don't feel obliged to such charity), 'Deus Vult' is no more mere "expression of loyalty to Christianity" than 'Deutschland über alles' could be seen as mere expression of loyalty to Germany (though we know by precedent that you would also argue that to be the case if it meant covering your arse after being found out leaning on a Nazi as a source): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_vult

[Caomhaoin]

Guantanamo Bay has often been called a symbol of Islamophobia. That's it? Brilliant. A wishy washy ball of shit Sun headline from mr empirical data.Your arguments are often so piss weak, case in point the above, but you are incapable of conceding the point.

You can call Asha logos a Nazi, I disagree and consume his content regularly.

I work with a Ghanaian evangelical minister in a Muslim majority republic. The relationship between him and the locals is beyond reproach. They even made him a citizen. Same goes for his pals. I guess you know all the Islamophobic lads though.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

You can call Asha logos a Nazi, I disagree and consume his content regularly.

Don't worry: the fact you can and do argue that an openly SS worshiping, historical antisemitic canard citing, Nazi ideology quoting youtuber is not a Nazi and that you consume their content regularly are both painfully evident in your posts.


Now, back to Hegseth. From his book American Crusade (wee clue in the title there that we're not dealing with mere "loyalty to Christianity"!): "just like the Christian crusaders who pushed back the Muslim hordes in the twelfth century, American Crusaders will need to muster the same courage against Islamists today."

The "same courage" presumably including Hegseth's will to commit war crimes, defend war crimes, demand pardons for war criminals...
https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/fox-host-says-he-supports-america-committing-war-crimes-i-dont-care-about-iranian-cultural
https://www.mediamatters.org/pete-hegseth/after-being-urged-fox-news-host-donald-trump-pardons-war-crimes

I know some individual Evangelical Christians who are not Islamophobes too. I know many, many more who are. Either way, Evangelical Christianity as a whole, especially in its GOD BLESS AMERICA variant, has an anti-Muslim bent.

[Caomhaoin]

An openly SS worshipping etc etc is a nonsensical 'sentence'. Can you make a point without hyperbole? If you can find any Nazi or even Nazi adjacent posts (the true sense of the word, not the whatever-conservatives-say-is-Nazi corruption you've adopted) on this board that I've made, feel free to fire them up. Best of luck. Painfully obvious you're up to your usual bullshit.

You mean standing up to Islamists is a hatred of all Muslims? Oh right. I have as little time for war crimes as you, but you're still failing to prove, or come even close to proving he hates Muslims as you suggest. If he suggested being fine with commiting war crimes against, say, Russia, would he be automatically an Anti-Slav? Your presumptions stand up to scrutiny not at all.

If it weren't for Charles Martel and other evil Christian warriors, European civilisation may never have flourished as it did, be grateful!

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

We went through all this Kev: every single video of his opens with the motto of the SS. Labeling that SS worship is not hyperbole: it's description.

And what is painfully obvious from the content of your posts is just that inclination to argue against incontrovertibly concrete evidence rather than revise your priors and say to yourself, "Hmm, maybe I should actually reconsider consuming from this obviously Nazi worshiping source." It's also painfully obvious from how taken in you are by MAGA ideology, since as I've said before, so many MAGA talking points literally demand rejection of evidential reality. Which is also presumably why they're particularly easy to swallow for people who believe there is a literal Rapture, literal Antichrist, and literal Second Coming of Christ just around the corner. I.e. almost a third of the US population.

You'd like to think I'm just a mirror reflection of you, taken in by DNC ideology to the same extent, but the fact of the matter is that you know the popular liberal commentators better than I do. Sam Seder? First heard of him from you. I don't listen to him. Joe Scarborough? First heard of him from you. I don't listen to him. Rachel Maddow? First heard of her from you. I don't listen to her. But you do listen to and quote Tim Pool, Tucker Carlson, etc., full on MAGA ideologists. In fact, presumably it's through them that you know of the other side of the circus. I do my best to remain informed while staying outside of the entire brain-rotting shebang, to deal instead with the facts insofar as these are directly available, which unfortunately is not as easy to do as it should be in the information age. And imo MAGA-boy Musk is more engaged in actively filling the online domain with noise than any previous "tech-bro", making him the perfect MAGA tool, something like a super-villain version of what Surkov was to Putin.

[Ollkiller]

Matt Gaetz, new attorney general. It's all good but, if you're in a hurry, skip to the child trafficking and teenage prostitution part. Maybe it's ok if it's not in a pizzeria?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Gaetz

He won't get it. Already reports he'll be blocked. Thankfully.

[astfgyl]

Matt Gaetz, new attorney general. It's all good but, if you're in a hurry, skip to the child trafficking and teenage prostitution part. Maybe it's ok if it's not in a pizzeria?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Gaetz

He won't get it. Already reports he'll be blocked. Thankfully.

As if the alternative would be any less divisive....

Who do you think Trump should have picked in his stead? Honestly now, give us a name from the republican party who you think would do a good job at that for Trump

[astfgyl]

The whole thing is some load of bollix. Half the world thinks Kamala Harris would be a good president of the US. Half the world thinks Donald Trump would be a good president of the US a second time round.

Fair depressing when taking into account the fact that their foreign policy will dictate a lot of the world's affairs for the next 4 years but potentially for far longer given what they might do.

Fuckin eejits with the left right shit and can't just see the bigger picture of a world that has so badly lost its way as to think either was preferable when it's all lobbying bullshit and the cunts that get picked run fuck all at the end of the day.

Who has been running the US while Biden has been senile, even if one thinks that's only a recent thing, who was it actually pulling the strings and throwing him up as the face of it?

Anyone answer that? I doubt it because everyone is blinded by stupid identity politics shit.

Hey it's man u v chelsea but this time it's extra spastic