The Donald vs Big Tech

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

This is the most egregious case of knowing manipulation of the electorate in a long time, not just "Ah sure they'll all say anything." All criminals commit crimes, sure, but not all crimes are equivalent, and it's good to be able to identify and classify them. They should all do jail time for this. It's the equivalent of high treason.

[Carnage]

Didn't they lose their status as a news channel a couple of years ago, now classed as an entertainment channel? A loophole that'll save their oily hides for a while, no doubt.

[Bürggermeister]

Of course the crowd on the left leaning networks are no better but we've all known that all along too.

I hear this a lot but, for the life of me, I can't find any example of this in the real world outside of posts like this. Could you provide an example which is as blatant as the "election was stolen" lie pushed knowingly by Fox?

[Bürggermeister]

It's the kind of thing mindlessly regurgitated to legitimise shit and dangerously corrupt journalism, you know what I mean? I mean, read back through this thread with what we now know (for sure) about Carlson and show me an equivalent spin from the left. Please.

[Caomhaoin]

CNN lying about that shit that Joe Rogan was taking for COVID.

MSNBC and CNN claiming that 5 cops were 'killed' during the 'insurrection'.

'Mainly praceful' protests from the BBC?

Are you serious? You're clearly blinkered if you don't think the left leaning mainstream media don't make shit up constantly.

[Bürggermeister]

I appreciate there is no truly left-wing mainstream media in the US anyway but, still, this "left wing media is just as bad" thing is regularly trotted out. It's gas. Do you not actually need left wing media as a pre-requisite to that claim? 😂

[astfgyl]

Of course the crowd on the left leaning networks are no better but we've all known that all along too.

I hear this a lot but, for the life of me, I can't find any example of this in the real world outside of posts like this. Could you provide an example which is as blatant as the "election was stolen" lie pushed knowingly by Fox?

Covid. The lies were like nothing that has ever been seen. You can stay partisan if you like.

[astfgyl]

I appreciate there is no truly left-wing mainstream media in the US anyway but, still, this "left wing media is just as bad" thing is regularly trotted out. It's gas. Do you not actually need left wing media as a pre-requisite to that claim? 😂

Yes you do. They're the ones who say the exact opposite of the right wing ones.

Think I explained it well enough anyway in the initial post you took up

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Covid. The lies were like nothing that has ever been seen. You can stay partisan if you like.

Do you think the journalists reporting thought they were lies? I already know at least half of what you think were lies I do not, so...
Plus, even if you think they were knowingly reporting lies, do you think they were doing exclusively so that their audience wouldn't switch channels?

CNN lying about that shit that Joe Rogan was taking for COVID.

This was a lie, but a lie of omission. Not comparable to lying about an election being stolen (again, the equivalent in a democracy of high treason).

MSNBC and CNN claiming that 5 cops were 'killed' during the 'insurrection'.

Five police deaths have been associated with January 6th. Even if you don't believe that they were genuinely associated, it's still a stronger factual basis than the stolen election lie.

'Mainly praceful' protests from the BBC?

Again, exaggeration at best, not even close to comparable.

[mickO)))]

CNN lying about that shit that Joe Rogan was taking for COVID.

MSNBC and CNN claiming that 5 cops were 'killed' during the 'insurrection'.

'Mainly praceful' protests from the BBC?

Are you serious? You're clearly blinkered if you don't think the left leaning mainstream media don't make shit up constantly.

The Russian collusion story is another lie that was pushed by every left leaning news channel and it is pretty much the definition of treason.
 
It was perfectly acceptable to say the 2016 election was stolen but claiming the 2020 election was stolen is an attack on democracy.

[astfgyl]

Covid. The lies were like nothing that has ever been seen. You can stay partisan if you like.

Do you think the journalists reporting thought they were lies? I already know at least half of what you think were lies I do not, so...
Plus, even if you think they were knowingly reporting lies, do you think they were doing exclusively so that their audience wouldn't switch channels?

CNN lying about that shit that Joe Rogan was taking for COVID.

This was a lie, but a lie of omission. Not comparable to lying about an election being stolen (again, the equivalent in a democracy of high treason).

MSNBC and CNN claiming that 5 cops were 'killed' during the 'insurrection'.

Five police deaths have been associated with January 6th. Even if you don't believe that they were genuinely associated, it's still a stronger factual basis than the stolen election lie.

'Mainly praceful' protests from the BBC?

Again, exaggeration at best, not even close to comparable.

You will say absolutely anything to justify your position. This is one of the rare times I actually can't be arsed.

I've said this before, I know you're not as stupid as you let on but I know you're enough of a bollix to have a go at it.

No thanks on this.

[Caomhaoin]

Covid. The lies were like nothing that has ever been seen. You can stay partisan if you like.

Do you think the journalists reporting thought they were lies? I already know at least half of what you think were lies I do not, so...
Plus, even if you think they were knowingly reporting lies, do you think they were doing exclusively so that their audience wouldn't switch channels?

CNN lying about that shit that Joe Rogan was taking for COVID.

This was a lie, but a lie of omission. Not comparable to lying about an election being stolen (again, the equivalent in a democracy of high treason).

MSNBC and CNN claiming that 5 cops were 'killed' during the 'insurrection'.

Five police deaths have been associated with January 6th. Even if you don't believe that they were genuinely associated, it's still a stronger factual basis than the stolen election lie.

'Mainly praceful' protests from the BBC?

Again, exaggeration at best, not even close to comparable.

Ah FFS, keep your beak out for once, will ya? Yer man wanted some examples of the left media lying, there's a few examples, there are many others. Why are you dragging me into some other shite? All this shrieking about Tucker Carlson and treason and blah blah who gives a fuck? I have no idea how you get anything done, anyone challenges THE MESSAGE on this forum and there you are to set the record straight.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

It was perfectly acceptable to say the 2016 election was stolen but claiming the 2020 election was stolen is an attack on democracy.

The claim in 2016 was not that the election was stolen but that Russia (and potentially other) states had interfered during the campaign, spreading disinformation, etc. The same report which said it could not conclude there had been criminal conspiracy between Trump and Russia confirmed that Russian interference in the campaign had occurred.

When the tallied results of the election became clear, Obama's team called Clinton to insist on the importance for democratic transfer of power that she concede without further delay and she did, first directly to Trump (before all results were in), next day publicly. None of the involved parties denies that this series of events occurred. I have zero time for Clinton, but any person not blind can easily see the difference in nature between her election result acts in 2016 and Trump's in 2020. For good measure, here's an extract from Clinton's public concession speech. It's typical diplomatic BS, but it's what the situation and the type of government demanded, and she did her job:

We have seen that our nation is more deeply divided than we thought. But I still believe in America and I always will. And if you do, then we must accept this result and then look to the future. Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead.

Our constitutional democracy enshrines the peaceful transfer of power and we don't just respect that, we cherish it.

A reminder of some of what Trump was saying around the same time 4 years later??

If you count the legal votes, I easily win. If you count the illegal votes, they can try to steal the election from us.

They want to find out how many votes they need and then they seem to be able to find them. They wait and wait and then they find them.

These are the kind of claims we now know even Carlson and others took to be baseless bullshit.

How about Trump a month after the election?

I want to provide an update on our ongoing efforts to expose the tremendous voter fraud and irregularities which took place during the ridiculously long November 3rd elections.

What changed this year was the Democrat party's relentless push to print and mail out tens of millions of ballots sent to unknown recipients with virtually no safeguards of any kind. This allowed fraud and abuse to occur in a scale never seen before.

it's constitutionally, absolutely incorrect what took place, even from a legal standpoint.

We have an in all swing states major infractions or outright fraud, which is far more in numbers or votes then we need to overturn the results of a state.

But we will have far more, many times more than the 20,000 votes needed to overturn the state. If we are right about the fraud, Joe Biden can't be president. We're talking about hundreds of thousands of votes. We're talking about numbers like nobody has ever seen before. Just as an example, in certain states, we'll be down by, let's say, 7,000 votes, but we'll find later on 20,000, 50,000, 100,00, 200,000 discrepancies or fraudulent votes, and that includes votes that went through when they were not allowed to be seen by Republican poll watchers, because the poll watchers were locked out of the building.

I could go on. All bullshit.

Now, which are greater between the 2016 and 2020 responses to the election results? The similarities or the differences?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Words mean nothing to you, you will say anything.

Dude, they got your boy unambiguously pinned as a worse, more blatant, and greedier hypocrite than anyone he's ever criticized on his show, yet instead of coming out and saying, "Fuck, yeah, he really is a shit!" Instead of doing that, you come at me rather than him with "Words mean nothing to you, you will say anything." That's a riot.

We're talking about a prick who has literally been proven to be willing to say anything Kev, condemned by his own words.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Carlson went on some podcast this week and, on top of portraying Andrew Tate as some kind of altruistic father figure to young men, seemed to sow the seeds of a narrative that would have him being the naive puppet of the Republicans driving the media narrative...? This is the kind of thing he does best: cynical manipulation of people he knows are just sitting there drooling in anticipation for any articulate talking head to validate their biases.

Have a look at an example here:
https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1635308873367298048

Just conjure up how cynical and condescending an individual you have to be to go on a podcast, with a very obviously well-defined demographic, and say things like the above mere days after it's been revealed that you were not in any sense pushed into lying on air, but were in fact actually trail-blazing the trend. Banking on bias and ignorance and cashing in big time.