So close that it's still not over!

G'wan ♥️Big Donnie you can do it!  :abbath:

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As Maricopa County [Arizona] released the results from 140,000 more ballots on Wednesday night and Thursday morning, president Donald Trump received almost the exact share he would need to charge back to win Arizona's 11 electoral votes and potentially reelection.

Trump won the batches of ballots from Maricopa County counted Wednesday and early Thursday by a roughly 57-40 margin over former vice president Joe Biden.

Those votes — likely early ballots sent to the county on Monday and Tuesday — narrowed Biden's lead over Trump in Arizona to 68,000 votes, when his lead had been more than 90,000 votes earlier Wednesday.

Paul Bentz, a Republican pollster with the consulting firm HighGround, said Trump needs to win 57.6% of the 470,000 votes that the Arizona Republic estimates remain to be counted.

"That's almost exactly what he got in the first batch," Bentz said. "He could do it."

At the very least, this should shut the fucker up about stopping the count!  :laugh:


Down to 18000 votes in Georgia. Trump crawled back a bit in Arizona but I think they fat lady has already done the encore.

#1535 November 05, 2020, 12:43:44 PM Last Edit: November 05, 2020, 02:16:37 PM by Cailleach
Quote from: Pedrito on November 04, 2020, 09:29:34 PM
It's an election. It's always fairly close and whatever happens a Republican will be back in another few years, then a democrat, then a republican. This idea that people were going to swing dramatically in the space of 4 years of absolute pie in the sky stuff and shows a complete lack of understanding of how politics works, how people vote, but sure that doesn't keep us all glued to websites and news channels constantly. Yes some states swung, many didn't. There's no landslide taking place.

Trump was a total landmine to the system. They've done literally everything now, thrown all their efforts behind shutting down the dissent and the public outrage that brought him in in the first place. If I was truly being cynical I would wonder if a huge amount of the social unrest that occurred in the last year wasn't 'orchestrated' to a degree to turn voters' attentions away from the very issues that led them to voting Trump in the first place. So, after 4 years, it's back to square one again. The same regime, the same ideas, the same issues. Are we going to see another Trump figure emerge from the woodwork in 4 years time once people realise these things? I certainly wouldn't rule it out.

That's not quite true, some elections have not been close over the years. The idea that there is no alternative in America is an old one. These lads sends their kids to the same school afterall.
What surprised me was Trump fostered a culture that being open about you how you feel was ok, indeed the more outlandish the better. So i had not expected his supporters would be shy in letting it be known who they were voting for. Trumps greatest tricks were getting the religious nut jobs to support him, even though they know he isn't one of them. Also, that he is standing up for blue collar workers against the elite.. I don't think we will see him or his like back in 4 years. The Republicans would do well to field a Candace Owens type, but  she would have to be a white version of her. Maybe i'm wrong though and all republicans voters are ready to endorse a black conservative!

Jaysus she's even more hated than Trump! I, of course, love her deeply. Black conservatives drive the left haywire. Does not compute!

#1537 November 05, 2020, 01:27:39 PM Last Edit: November 05, 2020, 01:29:16 PM by Nazgûl
It'd be great to see Biden -- if he gets in -- become something of a left-to-center leading president in how he operates. In plain terms, I think that's really what is needed if at all possible at this stage. For the far left and the far right to fuck off back to the fringes and a reset to occur to the center before things can get any better.

I don't follow US politics closely though so I'm none the wiser if Biden as president can or will help get to there.

Quote from: Cailleach on November 05, 2020, 12:43:44 PM
What surprised me was Trump fostered a culture that being open about you how you feel was ok, indeed the more outlandish the better. So i had not expected his supporters would be shy in letting be known who they were voting for.

Is this not forgetting again that a large part of his votership are not his supporters; they're just repulsed by the perception they have of the Democratic party. Those latter voters, the clinchers, would be more likely to be shy. The people who maybe feel "left" but don't at all identify with modern "liberals".

Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 05, 2020, 01:18:11 PM
Jaysus she's even more hated than Trump! I, of course, love her deeply. Black conservatives drive the left haywire. Does not compute!

Well, some of Trump's voters should love her then :)

Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 05, 2020, 01:50:23 PM
Quote from: Cailleach on November 05, 2020, 12:43:44 PM
What surprised me was Trump fostered a culture that being open about you how you feel was ok, indeed the more outlandish the better. So i had not expected his supporters would be shy in letting be known who they were voting for.

Is this not forgetting again that a large part of his votership are not his supporters; they're just repulsed by the perception they have of the Democratic party. Those latter voters, the clinchers, would be more likely to be shy. The people who maybe feel "left" but don't at all identify with modern "liberals".

You could be right. As Borat asked his two hosts: " Which is more dangerous the virus or the Democrats"

Modern 'liberals' of course have nothing to do with liberalism. They are the exact opposite.

I think the religious nut thing is way overplayed and it's what's so tiresome about the whole Borat schtick, even the likes of Louis Theroux. That side of America exists but of the millions upon millions of voters who voted Trump it's not really the deciding factor. It's true that many Americans go to church or are involved in 'churches' but I'd almost compare it to the GAA in this country..a way for people to meet and create community. The religious element exists but the levels of fanaticism are greatly exaggerated.


It's no surprise that the centre of the country is more traditional, concerned with less government. The rural areas, people who own land, a rural way of life where things like hunting are as normal as going for a McDonalds in the big city. Many of the people in the mid part of the US come from German backgrounds. Their great great whatevers fled religious persecution back in old Europe so there are deep historical reasons for wanting a certain element of status quo and being suspiscious of a lot of what has come out of Washington in the past. Of course the left drum up this image of the bible bashing, racist, hick, amd then we wonder why they have a certain siege mentality to them. Think of London calling us Paddy, cabbage eating, molested by priest, inbred, freckled, tinkers and it might start to sink in the arrogance of the supposedly  educated, liberal classes.

Quote from: Pedrito on November 05, 2020, 04:39:27 PM
I think the religious nut thing is way overplayed and it's what's so tiresome about the whole Borat schtick, even the likes of Louis Theroux. That side of America exists but of the millions upon millions of voters who voted Trump it's not really the deciding factor. It's true that many Americans go to church or are involved in 'churches' but I'd almost compare it to the GAA in this country..a way for people to meet and create community. The religious element exists but the levels of fanaticism are greatly exaggerated.

Over a fifth of Americans attend church services at least once a week. That's enormous for a western nation. In the UK, all denominations combined, it's less than a tenth of the population. Over 20% believe abortion should be illegal in all circumstances. That gives you a pretty good idea of how the Democratic party are viewed by an extremely large and absolutely rock solid anti-Democrat voting base. Trump played to that base endlessly, with anti-abortion rhetoric, pro-zionist rhetoric, and all the rest that you already know. If one candidate can make himself seem the pro-God guy and the opponent the harbinger of the anti-christ, there's 20% of the electorate in his pocket right there.

This is getting shared around by means of contrast and comparison of political decorum: McCain's concession speech from 2008.
https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1034124130235236354