Coronavirus

[Caomhaoin]

The exact same thing applies to the oh-so-clever readership of the enlightened newspapers you and the triple 'diplômées' post moderns read. They are tickling your bellies in precisely the same way you portray Fox as doing. Highly malleable idiots who think women are men and that making a few pound and keeping it is capitilo-racism.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

(among other media moguls of course)

[leatherface]

Originally vaccines were not being advertised as obligatory, now they are completely  obligatory and you may not be able to do absolutely anything without getting one. This worries me a great deal, but everyone is fine with it. If I question anything logically I am criticized, another thing to worry about. Not anti science at all, I have relied on medical science many times in my life but could be it be at all possible to *choose* whether or not I want a jab? SARS doesn't have a vaccine and that disappeared pretty fast.

[astfgyl]

The Nuremberg code is your friend.

I know lots of people who got the shot so far and not one of them got it because they were worried about covid. Every one said they took it because they want their freedom back/want to go on holiday this summer. That's no reason to take an experimental jab, even if it is perfectly safe and effective, neither of which has been proven as yet.

Think about it, government uses emergency, constitution-sidestepping powers to remove freedom under guise of public health and now says you must take the still in trial stage but emergency approved gene therapy to get back the same basic freedom you already had. And nobody has a notion whether or not said jab has long term effects.

And now says you need to mask and distance and stay home even after getting it because its efficacy vs random variants is unknown. And now eu legislation drafted for a vaccine passport before it is proven to work. It's also worth noting that in this country more people have died since the introduction of the shot than the 9 months before. Now we all know correlation does not equal causation, but the same attitude should have been taken with deaths with a positive test result. More nursing home deaths since as well and nobody can say if there's a link or not but still let's make it mandatory.



I'm all for not killing any pensioners, but this is pure unadulterated bullshit at this stage.

[Blackout]

Heard a a 63 year old woman this morning on newstalk who has stage 4 cancer and had fluid on her lungs since November which was not spotted as she couldn't get a hospital appointment. Jesus there will be a serious tsunami of cancer deaths because of this thing. Was heartbreaking to listen to her.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I know lots of people who got the shot so far and not one of them got it because they were worried about covid. Every one said they took it because they want their freedom back/want to go on holiday this summer.

Well, whether they're taking it for unrelated selfish reasons or not, if it works then the desired population immunity effect which should be motivating them will be achieved anyway, so all good. The majority of people who will need to be vaccinated for that effect to be achieved don't have any reason to personally fear the disease. That is known. Do you not get this, or are you just refusing to let it enter into your reasoning on the situation?

[astfgyl]

Coercion by any other name is still coercion. The Nuremberg code was drawn up to prevent exactly what we see happening before our eyes. Tell me, does the vaccine prevent transmission or does it reduce the risk of severe disease? You haven't a clue is the answer.

If the shot was proven to prevent onward transmission (which it isn't), your logic would hold up. If on the other hand, the shot only reduces the risk of severe disease, people who feel at risk need only worry about getting themselves jabbed and forget about what anyone else does. If the shot is proven to be 100% effective against the O.G. strain of the virus, but we keep being told that the other variants are becoming dominant and we don't know if the shot will work against them, the whole point of forcing everyone to get the thing falls asunder, much like how the flu vax is a gamble every year as no-one can tell which strains will be dominant in a given season. Are you refusing to let any of this enter into your reasoning on the situation?

Impfen macht freiheit!! Telling somebody you are removing their basic freedom until they take an experimental injection is pretty far out, when it's laid out in plain fashion.

So so much bullshit doing the rounds and it's like a magic eye picture; once you see it the first time, it becomes easier and easier. Cui bono? Nothing ever really changes on the wealth transfer merry-go-round.

Take masks, for example: I can find you pages and pages on the web about shit like cities on the moon or mars or underwater UFOs, but I can't find any proper evidence that masks work beyond questionable extensions of logic and anecdotal evidence yet here we all are, forced to wear them. How much is the mask industry currently worth, and why are vaccinated people being told they still need to wear them? That's only one example, there are so many more around testing, contact tracing, lockdowns, therapeutics, government overreach.... it's fucking endless and none of it good.

[Giggles]

I know lots of people who got the shot so far and not one of them got it because they were worried about covid. Every one said they took it because they want their freedom back/want to go on holiday this summer.

Well, whether they're taking it for unrelated selfish reasons or not, if it works then the desired population immunity effect which should be motivating them will be achieved anyway, so all good. The majority of people who will need to be vaccinated for that effect to be achieved don't have any reason to personally fear the disease. That is known. Do you not get this, or are you just refusing to let it enter into your reasoning on the situation?

I think the point he was making is that the governents apear to have created a shit scenario for the majority of the world, and are offering a jab as the only way out.

Lets not forget that covid 19 is not responsible for lockdowns, governments are.

[Kurt Cocaine]

Our Gardaí nowadays....

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3938075649547895&id=100000364951468&sfnsn=wa

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Tell me, does the vaccine prevent transmission or does it reduce the risk of severe disease? You haven't a clue is the answer.

The latest research seems to show that
1) viral load in positive vaccinated cases is up to four times lower than in positive unvaccinated cases, meaning that the virus multiplies less in vaccinated people (as should be expected), meaning in turn that there is less of the virus to be transmitted from them, and
2) among vaccinated populations, positive case rate does appear to be lower (though this work is preliminary, and not what I'd call robust just yet...but it'll only get easier and easier to run such investigations as more populations are vaccinated).

That is what's out there so far in terms of research, take it or leave it.

[Blackout]

Our Gardaí nowadays....

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3938075649547895&id=100000364951468&sfnsn=wa

There's a serious amount of trolls everywhere on Facebook. The replies would have ye give up very quickly.

[astfgyl]

Tell me, does the vaccine prevent transmission or does it reduce the risk of severe disease? You haven't a clue is the answer.

The latest research seems to show that
1) viral load in positive vaccinated cases is up to four times lower than in positive unvaccinated cases, meaning that the virus multiplies less in vaccinated people (as should be expected), meaning in turn that there is less of the virus to be transmitted from them, and
2) among vaccinated populations, positive case rate does appear to be lower (though this work is preliminary, and not what I'd call robust just yet...but it'll only get easier and easier to run such investigations as more populations are vaccinated).

That is what's out there so far in terms of research, take it or leave it.

Yeah thanks for reinforcing my point. Sure once we give it to absolutely everyone and eliminate the control group the results can speak for themselves... follow the science and all that

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

It'll be fucking ages before it's given to absolutely everyone, especially in more densely populated nations, so there'll be massive control groups for the foreseeable.

[astfgyl]

I know. Especially when all the people who take longer to coerce hold things up as well. I was a bit hasty with that remark, to be fair. Touché

Besides, we already have a fantastic control group for everything in Florida, and they are beating the shit out of all the NPI cohorts since last August. No greater incidence or death rate and a life worth living to boot. And we have a great test case for superspreader events after the suerbowl celebrations (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/super-bowl-2021-post-game-celebrations-spur-covid-concerns/ and look what happened after that to the unvaccinated and unmasked eejits).

It's almost looking at this stage like everywhere did everything wrong, and yet there are still a ridiculous number of governments who are holding the leash way too tight and are way too slow to loosen it for fear the dog is going to turn around and bite their faces off, which it will if they don't manage to get maximum uptake of a vaccine first, so to say they were actually petting the dog and caring for the dog's best interests instead of simply beating the dog with their needless interventions because the dog is too stupid not to jump into the fire of his own volition. It's a fucking dark dark path that we have allowed ourselves to be led down.

Also the multi-billion dollar testing and contract tracing and mask industries and online shopping and video conferencing and social media magnates wouldn't want everyone to be vaccinated too quickly. Especially if the vaccine does turn out to be a great thing (which I wouldn't disregard as a possibility, I'm not gone the whole way) and eliminates the virus (won't happen, it's better to build up a customer base of regulars than one timers). And it just so happens that every one of the advisors to the governments and a lot of the government ministers themselves have a lot more to gain than simply saving a few old folks from the new flu (but conflict of interest is only a myth anyway so we don't talk about that), so expect that to maintain the status quo. The New Normal wasn't designed to be temporary after all, or else it wouldn't be called The New Normal.

So yeah, the control group remains intact.

[Karlwalsh]

Our Gardaí nowadays....

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3938075649547895&id=100000364951468&sfnsn=wa

The gardai are only  doing their job.. there's a  post up from the family saying she's  talking shite