The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Have a look at that list of countries either current or former and pick one you'd like to live in.

If I find one I'd prefer to live in rather than the US, do I win? Because there's a few of them, past and present.

[hellfire]

Such as?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

In the most obvious head-to-head, I would choose to live in Cuba over the US, despite my being fundamentally opposed to single party systems (which are not a necessity of the idea of socialism), and despite awareness of all the difficulties of daily life that would incur. Then again, there is precisely no guarantee against daily life difficulties in the US either.

[Paul mcgrath]

The cancer comment was tongue in cheek, but the two billion comment doesn't take into account the vast difference in population between now and the past. As schoolboy an error as the handicapped OG I scored the last day out

Ok,  there was 60 million deaths in 2021.
10 million of which were from cancer.
How many deaths in 2021 were a direct result or socialism?
Back it up with a source or I'll assume you pulled it out of your arse.

Throw enough nonsensical throwaway tounge in cheek comments around and they start to stick. It's irresponsible.

https://www.webmd.com/cancer/how-many-cancer-deaths-per-year

The link is from socialjustice.ie. How could anyone, let alone someone right leaning take anything from such a grotesquely biased source seriously? Whatever about Chris being a wind-up merchant extraordinaire, at least he's wise enough not to rely solely on sources that can be dismissively and ostentatiously waved away by his contrarians.

The data,  was taken from the governments annual statistic report.
Can you provide a link to back up your claims of 80% immigrants here to leech blah blah?

You need to provide some backup source links of your own if you are going to dismiss mine as biased.

[Caomhaoin]

I didn't say anything about 80% of immigrants or anything else.

I'm pointing out that your 2bn figure is erroneous, even to the meanest of intellects.

Good luck to you now.

[Caomhaoin]

In the most obvious head-to-head, I would choose to live in Cuba over the US, despite my being fundamentally opposed to single party systems (which are not a necessity of the idea of socialism), and despite awareness of all the difficulties of daily life that would incur. Then again, there is precisely no guarantee against daily life difficulties in the US either.

Have you been to Cuba? No way you could possibly say that with a straight face if you saw how people live there.

My ex is Polish and lived under socialism until she was 12. Both her and her mother are incredulous that anyone from the west would ever consider living under the conditions they did. Underfed, travel destinations limited, apathy, shitty public amenities, zero motivation to innovate and the list goes on. Her mother had a certain nostalgia for the gaff, but nothing more than that. An uncle of mine visited Poland in 1987, and he said it was the shittiest place he has ever been, before or since.

Would you rather have lived in Germany from 1934-38 or the Soviet Union at the same time?

[hellfire]

I'd give him a month of low pay and horrible living conditions before he'd board a raft to Florida like so many of his newfound countrymen.

[Paul mcgrath]

I didn't say anything about 80% of immigrants or anything else.

Ok but you challenged the source I used to disprove the 80% claim your comrade casually threw about, implication being you agreed with it.

I'm pointing out that your 2bn figure is erroneous, even to the meanest of intellects.

Good luck to you now.

As I am pointing out your facts and figures and those of your comrades on the right here are "erroneous", the difference being I use sources and government statistics to challenge you guys whereas you reply with
"i didn't say that .. it was my mate "
Or "good luck to you now" whatever that means.

Back up your figures with a source and I'll suck it up, apologise and back down.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

If it were the 80s, I would not choose to live in any soviet block country, under any soviet government, rather than the US. But that wasn't the question.

I've spent some time in two other countries on that wiki list, Zambia and Tanzania, and would also prefer to live in either of them than the US.

This shouldn't come as a surprise, but we're quite different people; don't expect us to seek life fulfillment in the same places or ways 

[Giggles]

The cancer comment was tongue in cheek, but the two billion comment doesn't take into account the vast difference in population between now and the past. As schoolboy an error as the handicapped OG I scored the last day out

Ok,  there was 60 million deaths in 2021.
10 million of which were from cancer.
How many deaths in 2021 were a direct result or socialism?
Back it up with a source or I'll assume you pulled it out of your arse.

Throw enough nonsensical throwaway tounge in cheek comments around and they start to stick. It's irresponsible.

https://www.webmd.com/cancer/how-many-cancer-deaths-per-year

The link is from socialjustice.ie. How could anyone, let alone someone right leaning take anything from such a grotesquely biased source seriously? Whatever about Chris being a wind-up merchant extraordinaire, at least he's wise enough not to rely solely on sources that can be dismissively and ostentatiously waved away by his contrarians.

The data,  was taken from the governments annual statistic report.
Can you provide a link to back up your claims of 80% immigrants here to leech blah blah?

You need to provide some backup source links of your own if you are going to dismiss mine as biased.

Here Paul mcgrath (shit fake name by the way), you're putting yourself through an awful amout of effort, creating an alternative account just to argue with people on the internet. Could you not spend that energy doing something meaningful?

[astfgyl]

Was chatting with a Romanian lad last week about living under communism. Wouldn't be for me. He likened it to the shit buzz of the lockdowns but with no hope it'd end.

Democratic socialism is where it's at

[Caomhaoin]

If it were the 80s, I would not choose to live in any soviet block country, under any soviet government, rather than the US. But that wasn't the question.

I've spent some time in two other countries on that wiki list, Zambia and Tanzania, and would also prefer to live in either of them than the US.

This shouldn't come as a surprise, but we're quite different people; don't expect us to seek life fulfillment in the same places or ways 

A few young lads dressed up in sombreros and Indian head dress etc for Carnival to school today, and there would have been hell to pay in the US if that happened over there, so I wouldn't be that gone on the gaff either.

But Cuba? Grand if you're a tourist but fuck me, it is some fucking disaster of a country when you go off the tourist routes or out of the resorts.

[hellfire]

He's just clinging to the nonsense idea that his beloved socialism has worked somewhere and doesn't result in abject poverty and misery everywhere. Let him be. Next week we'll see how he gets on with the idea of there being no Santa Claus.

[mickO)))]

But Cuba? Grand if you're a tourist but fuck me, it is some fucking disaster of a country when you go off the tourist routes or out of the resorts.

A mate of mine was in Cuba last August and he cut his holiday short due to the food shortage issues. Another friend went a month later and said all she could find to eat everyday for 2 weeks was some sort of a salty chicken that was horrible.

Cuba is basically to Canada what Spain and Portugal is to Ireland for holidays so I know a lot of people who have been there. They all say the same it is good for a holiday but the living conditions are abysmal.

[Caomhaoin]

Venezuela will become a warning from history for future generations. Free gaffs and nationalisation to utter disaster and an economic catastrophe unmatched even by Latin American basket case standards.