I'm referring to the likes of your mate Trump plus the entire US evangelical movement, including its overseas extensions, because the whole Zionist schtick is more a christian than a jewish thing; literally trying to set the wheels of the book of Revelations in motion. Fanatics, far more dangerous on the global whole than Hamas.

I'd love to hear you call one of the Jews in Israel a Christian.

Quote from: Blackout on May 16, 2021, 01:56:26 PM
I'd love to hear you call one of the Jews in Israel a Christian.

You really do come out with the oddest statements sometimes. But funnily enough, I was just about to post this...

Here's an example of what is called "Messianic Jew" literature; it features Jews, in Israel and elsewhere, who recognize Jesus as Messiah (hence the name), but is also fully on-board with Jews who don't, plus the entire Zionist schtick. The target audience of this literature is not, however, primarily Jews, "Messianic" or otherwise, but rather evangelical christians. The goal (more than likely a good faith goal too, because these people are properly disconnected from reality) is to give constant reminders to christian supporters in the west that the Israel project is part of God's divine plan (specifically the part involving the second coming of Christ), and that the likes of Hamas and Palestine are an obstacle to this. Israel can do no wrong and never has according to this literature. And boy did they love Trump when he came along; this dates from 2017, so you can only imagine the empowering and emboldening joy they experienced when in 2018 he went ahead and moved the embassy to Jerusalem:
http://maoz.convio.net/site/DocServer/1017_Spread.pdf?docID=6302

Just have a wee scan through there. Pence and co, that's the audience. And there are millions and millions of them in the US and de facto US overseas colonies.


Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 16, 2021, 02:02:36 PM
Quote from: Blackout on May 16, 2021, 01:56:26 PM
I'd love to hear you call one of the Jews in Israel a Christian.

You really do come out with the oddest statements sometimes. But funnily enough, I was just about to post this...

Here's an example of what is called "Messianic Jew" literature; it features Jews, in Israel and elsewhere, who recognize Jesus as Messiah (hence the name), but is also fully on-board with Jews who don't, plus the entire Zionist schtick. The target audience of this literature is not, however, primarily Jews, "Messianic" or otherwise, but rather evangelical christians. The goal (more than likely a good faith goal too, because these people are properly disconnected from reality) is to give constant reminders to christian supporters in the west that the Israel project is part of God's divine plan (specifically the part involving the second coming of Christ), and that the likes of Hamas and Palestine are an obstacle to this. Israel can do no wrong and never has according to this literature. And boy did they love Trump when he came along; this dates from 2017, so you can only imagine the empowering and emboldening joy they experienced when in 2018 he went ahead and moved the embassy to Jerusalem:
http://maoz.convio.net/site/DocServer/1017_Spread.pdf?docID=6302

Just have a wee scan through there. Pence and co, that's the audience. And there are millions and millions of them in the US and de facto US overseas colonies.

And who would you imagine was/is responsible for that particular move, as genius as it is?

It's the biblical capital of Israel, so I would imagine a group of same-minded people - christians and jews alike wishing to see Israel restored to its old testament state, for slightly diverging reasons - was responsible.

Who benefits the most from it being pushed as part of the selective, cut and paste doctrine of the evangelical churches? It's a slightly whimsical and wholly rhetorical question so save your fingers.

Better an evangelical than a miserable nihilist addicted to complaining and outrage (not a dig at any user). At least the former have some kind of code.

Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 16, 2021, 03:45:37 PM
Better an evangelical than a miserable nihilist addicted to complaining and outrage (not a dig at any user). At least the former have some kind of code.
Erm.... What is it you actually think evangelicals do?

What do they do? What are you asking, precisely, or is it rhetorical?


I think he's implying that they're addicted to complaining and outrage.

They're also addicted to the end of the world which, if you strip them of the fairy tale they think that will entail, is pretty nihilistic.

Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 16, 2021, 04:39:34 PM
They're also addicted to the end of the world which, if you strip them of the fairy tale they think that will entail, is pretty nihilistic.
Right on both counts. He mustn't remember previous moral panics and buys into Jordan Petersons notion it that outrage created by those pesky Marxists in Liberal colleges.

I'm really sick of hearing about Palestine. There are conflicts all over the world ongoing at the moment and all I ever hear about is that tiny little shit pit. The virtue signalling on Facebook is truly sickening.  I had one lad yesterday bleating on about how he's going to boycott the Wonder Woman film. A girl went around Lidl trying to find Israeli fruit and veg to boycott. It might be time for me to get rid of Facebook.

Quote from: hellfire on May 16, 2021, 11:30:32 PM
I'm really sick of hearing about Palestine. There are conflicts all over the world ongoing at the moment and all I ever hear about is that tiny little shit pit. The virtue signalling on Facebook is truly sickening.  I had one lad yesterday bleating on about how he's going to boycott the Wonder Woman film. A girl went around Lidl trying to find Israeli fruit and veg to boycott. It might be time for me to get rid of Facebook.

Damn. That jew fruit or, "Jewt" as I like to call it is so feckin tasty too...