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astfgyl

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Reply #750 on: September 27, 2020, 09:01:08 PM
Slight change of pace here, but if Black Lives Matter so much why isn't everyone trying to save all the black lives being needlessly lost in Africa every day of the week through starvation? The PC brigade could do with having a bit of a think about that instead of getting on their knees for the black criminals shot by the cops in the US. The situation in the US has so many facets to it and yet the world hunger situation has the solution staring us in the face. Feed them. The major difference I see is that there is no profit in it so that must be why that one isn't getting rammed down our throats, or indeed the throats of those dying of starvation.

Top 5 billionaires in the world wouldn't even feel a dent in their balance to solve that one, but instead use their influence to "save" us all from the likes of racism and that other thing I always bang on about.

Just some thoughts. Back on topic the easy solution for the Kardashian thing there is to put it in the women's prison. In solitary confinement.


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Reply #751 on: September 27, 2020, 09:22:30 PM
Shuuuush Nazi!


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Reply #752 on: September 27, 2020, 09:37:11 PM
Next up... Holocaust denying!


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Reply #753 on: September 27, 2020, 10:20:21 PM
Slight change of pace here, but if Black Lives Matter so much why isn't everyone trying to save all the black lives being needlessly lost in Africa every day of the week through starvation? The PC brigade could do with having a bit of a think about that instead of getting on their knees for the black criminals shot by the cops in the US. The situation in the US has so many facets to it and yet the world hunger situation has the solution staring us in the face. Feed them. The major difference I see is that there is no profit in it so that must be why that one isn't getting rammed down our throats, or indeed the throats of those dying of starvation.

Top 5 billionaires in the world wouldn't even feel a dent in their balance to solve that one, but instead use their influence to "save" us all from the likes of racism and that other thing I always bang on about.

Just some thoughts. Back on topic the easy solution for the Kardashian thing there is to put it in the women's prison. In solitary confinement.

Yeah because relief aid to African countries hasn't been a thing for decades. And advertisements for charities don't exist, no siree. Those guys on the street trying to sign you up for donations? Hmm, doesn't fit your narrative so let's just casually ignore all the efforts and put down people that are striving for change in another place that needs it.

George Floyd was a petty criminal, doesn't mean the cop was allowed to be his judge, jury and executioner, now does it? Breona Taylor - not a criminal. You know, I'm not arsed trawling the internet to find all their names because the information is freely available, but most of the black people shot by white police weren't criminals or engaging in activities that warranted lethal force.


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Reply #754 on: September 27, 2020, 10:36:19 PM
Probably various interconnected reasons why the people in different African countries aren't a focus for BLM, such as the fact that the countries that are in poverty are pretty much all black, from top to bottom so that particular issue of division is not relevant; the fact that in these countries there are other pressing issues to face such as the immediate dangers of your family starving to death, your kids being recruited into or killed by illegal paramilitary groups; surviving civil wars; living in a hostile natural environment and the massive levels of corruption in many of these places. Just pointing out the obvious. 

Plus, there are countless charity organizations operating there to try to build schools, houses, educate the people and teach them how to farm and trying to provide clean water and basic medical care.

It's an entirely different kettle of fish for a million reasons. That said, I'm against the BLM organisation as it seems to be more harmful and regressive in terms of solving whatever issues face African Americans. I think that telling young black men (because they seem to be the ones most caught up) that they are victims, that first and foremost they are black, that that is the most important aspect of their identity, can only cause more damage. They need their Jordan Peterson to tell them, no! First and foremost you are an individual, you have certain responsibilities to live up to, society has certain reasonable demands to make of you and you will only improve your position if you actively choose to. That is not to say racism doesn't exist or that the system isn't rigged against them in certain ways, but they can still be inspired to become more. Telling them that they are essentially hated by everyone, looked down upon and seen as pathetic, violent and criminal must be incredibly dehumanizing. But that is the self- crippling message being put forth. And I'm not sure it's reflective of the outlook of most modern white Americans.
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Reply #755 on: September 27, 2020, 10:42:36 PM
All that said,  America seems beyond repair,  or a very long way from it. Left v right 4 life!


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Reply #756 on: September 27, 2020, 10:46:06 PM
I agree with what should be the core message of the BLM movement (as in, cops shouldn't be killing black people), when these activists, whether its BLM/Trans activists/SJW's start getting into stuff like cultural appropriation and other forms of identity politics I bow out.


Reply #757 on: September 27, 2020, 10:49:55 PM
Laurence Fox launching a new political party:
https://news.sky.com/story/laurence-fox-controversial-actor-launches-political-party-to-fight-the-culture-wars-12083457
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"The people of the United Kingdom are tired of being told that we represent the very thing we have, in history, stood together against."

So unusual for a conservative political party to have such a blind view of history, no?


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Reply #758 on: September 27, 2020, 11:12:14 PM
Unrelated to him, because obviously he's from a very privileged background. But I do think working class people in the UK and US feel abandoned by left wing politics, which has resulted in Brexit and Trump.

I have family in the Valleys in Wales where I visit regularly, a very working class area where the mines used to be, these are predominantly white areas where there's no industry, career prospects, tourism etc, I see a lot of these people I know sharing stuff like 'All Lives Matter' and I genuinely don't believe they mean it to be racist, more out of ignorance, these people are living in near poverty yet everywhere they turn in the media they are being hammered with this message that white people are inherently priveliged and they're thinking 'How the fuck am I privileged'.

It doesn't help that this type of identity politics is generally peddled by people from a middle class background with a university education. We have people from privileged backgrounds lecturing people from working class backgrounds how privileged they are, it's only natural they're going to get pissed off.


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Reply #759 on: September 28, 2020, 09:38:24 AM
Middle class twats with a University education will do all they can to set themselves apart from the great unwashed. This is just another fad in a long list of ways that snobs use to say that they're better and you're less.

Indeed the whole concept of restricted speech has deep roots in middle class culture and snobbery. The way you talk, your accent, the fact you still eat meat instead of avocados, your children not going to privileged, twatty cunt schools where they become bilingual and don't only speak the tongue of the common guttersnipe. In Ireland it can be Gaelscoils and private schools, here in Spain the fancy fuckers speak English with their kids at home, often in the street. Just a nice subtle way to say 'you lot are filth'.

Then we have food. You go to somewhere like Richmond in London, it's all farmer's markets and avocados, vegan whatever and rich women strolling around combinihg clothes that peasants wear in other countries with a Chanel bag. Fusion fashion and that bed head look that all these middle class girls seem to go in for..it would be outrageous if it wasn't all so utterly predictable.

And now in Hollywood it's cool to have non-gendered children. Charlize Theron is at it, that spanner that married Prince Harry too. And low and behold, I'm starting to see it with a girl/woman I know who fits all the above stereotypes, her posting pics of her little girl wearing boys clothes etc etc. Again, entirely predictable. It would be funny if she wasn't so utterly brainwashed by this shite.

And the BLM stuff, the refugee stuff. It's all so predictable. But these people don't have to put up with the consequences in their airy fairy middle class neighbourhoods. They get to prance around universities and farmer's markets and get served by underpaid immigrants who are expected to smile and be grateful when they ask them where they are from, and 'oh my god we went on holidays there..so beautiful!' Yeah, fuck off!


Reply #760 on: September 28, 2020, 10:04:04 AM
Y'all play your role in left wing politics' migration away from its (socio-economic) fundamentals when you refer to liberal movements as "Marxist", etc., when they are clearly absolutely nothing of the sort. No accident that this is done; it's very much an intentional strategy to undermine core socialist theory by identifying it with things it barely even references. See how much Peterson floundered like a buffoon when he ill-advisedly decided to tackle the Communist Manifesto. Of course, it didn't matter, because essentially none of his followers will ever engage with it themselves. "Marxist" to them is like "fascist"; a label which means "I don't need to explore this for myself, it's necessarily horseshit."

But yeah, the "left" is also internally fucked, no doubt about it.


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Reply #761 on: September 28, 2020, 10:11:17 AM
It's difficult to  see any resolution between left and right when farmers markets are one of the contentious issues.


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Reply #762 on: September 28, 2020, 10:16:38 AM
'Left wing' politics has been hijacked by neo-liberals and the elites and used to flog more stuff, stop us talking in certain ways and generally control us. It's no fluke that every big company now has its own Lgbtq section and diversity hiring practices, but it's all just with one end goal in mind: 'flog more shit'.

As long as they keep rubbing the backs of the outrage merchants though, a blind eye is turned to the more outrageous shit that they engage in: sweatshops, all that sneaky legal stuff they get away with, money in the Bahamas, monopolisation etc.

I see Spotify workers are losing their shit over Joe Rogan at the moment. They certainly don't lose their shit at all the musicians off whose backs they are earning on average $100k+ working in their fancy headquarters in NY. Pure, unadulterated hypocrisy all of it. They have no problem ripping off millions of musicians' work worldwide, paying a pittence for the work, but they'll come out in force if a lad has a discussion over  why a girl should be called a boy. Cogs in the machine.


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Reply #763 on: September 28, 2020, 10:25:03 AM
I thinking you’re referring to ‘cultural Marxism’ rather than Marxism per se. The beautiful thing about that title is not that it’s accurate, it’s that it pisses left wing yobbos off to an amazing extent :)


Reply #764 on: September 28, 2020, 10:25:24 AM
Right. No one, neither liberals nor the right, cares about the workers, as per usual. So by insisting that liberals be called "communists" or "Marxists" of some declination ("cultural Marxists" or whatever made up term is catchy enough to stick), conservatives and libertarians ensure that conflations are easily drawn and appear credible. And of course, the liberals are usually happy enough to adopt these labels, because it gives them some sort of semblance of intellectual credibility. And all the while? The real proles get nothing and the economic left loses its platform absolutely. "Lexit" (leftist Brexit) had some great arguments, for example, but there was absolutely no room for it between the liberal ex-Erasmus crowd on the one side and UKIP on the other, so UKIP are who the workers heard more than anyone else, and the liberals then blamed the "retarded and racist" working class for the vote not going their way. In other words, true "Communists" or "socialists" or "Marxists", in the core economic sense, have no voice anymore.